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Topic: Erasmus banned for two monthsPosted By: marigold
Subject: Erasmus banned for two months
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2021 at 18:59
Given what he said and how he said it I think he is very lucky to only be banned for two months. In addition surely they must now ban named coaches from masquerading as water carriers. I noticed Huckleberryerall and the new England attack coach were doing it for England on Saturday. It looks like legalised cheating
Replies: Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2021 at 21:00
Should have been longer.
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2021 at 21:49
He got almost a year's match-day ban - which is pretty major sanction (and justified IMHO). The 'waterboy' thing didn't really form part of this investigation as I believe there was nothing outside the regulations in that. But I agree it should be looked at...
Posted By: Welshie7
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2021 at 11:29
Coaches as waterboys has been going on for years...it should not happen but until World Rugby or RFU say "no" it is going to carry on.
Not straight in scrums....hookers stepping into the field of play to throw, etc....again all happening and nothing will happen until World Rugby do something about it.
Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2021 at 13:54
Posted By: Rucking Idiot
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2021 at 15:27
Love it;
Glad to see we are really one nation...
------------- If it looks like a duck & quacks like a duck it's just my rucking luck!
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2021 at 21:54
Welshie7 wrote:
Coaches as waterboys has been going on for years...it should not happen but until World Rugby or RFU say "no" it is going to carry on.
Not straight in scrums....hookers stepping into the field of play to throw, etc....again all happening and nothing will happen until World Rugby do something about it.
Hi Welshie... take your point, but you do realise that Rassie wasn't charged, tried or punished, in relation to being a sneaky waterboy when the spirit of the game suggests this shouldn't happen? People need to put the waterboy thing to one side and consider what was on the charge-sheet...
Posted By: Pappashanga
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2021 at 12:58
https://www.iol.co.za/sport" rel="nofollow - Sport
The Springboks’ Siya Kolisi and Rassie Erasmus. Picture: Kazuhiro NOGI/AFP
How can rugby move on from such bias and prejudice?
By Mark Keohane 2h ago
LET it go with Rassie, people tell me every day.
Let’s move on. We made our point.
Nonsense.
The
only point made was from World Rugby – and that point was that
privilege rules, white is right and while it is easy to say black lives
matter, it isn’t quite as easy to show that black lives matter.
Referee Nic Berry should publicly apologise to Siya Kolisi, Rassie Erasmus and Springboks for his mistakes in Lions Test
South
African Rugby’s director of rugby Rassie Erasmus has been banned from
all rugby activities for two months and he can’t have any active
involvement with the Springboks on Test match days until September 2022.
World
Rugby’s ‘independent committee’ made up of white men ruled in favour of
the white Australian referee Nic Berry against Erasmus and black
Springboks captain Siya Kolisi.
Berry was the main witness for
World Rugby's case against Erasmus bringing the game into disrepute for
challenging Berry's match officiating.
More
damning than the 26 decisions was the way Berry treated Kolisi like a
second rate citizen and afforded the white British & Irish Lions
captain Alun Wyn Jones the necessary respect.
Kolisi, at a media
conference, was asked if he felt poorly treated and disrespected by
Berry. He said yes and he articulated just why he felt that way. He
spoke his truth and he supported his belief with examples from the
match.
The independent committee, all of whom are paid World Rugby
retainers, dismissed Kolisi’s evidence as it being ‘his perceived
truth’.
https://www.iol.co.za/sport/rugby/springboks/watch-rassie-erasmus-hints-at-a-few-beers-mauritius-holiday-during-suspension-3a9b1490-7da0-43a2-8a71-fa78ffd6b852" rel="nofollow - Australian
referee Nic Berry looks on as the Springboks’ Faf de Klerk clears
against the British and Irish Lions. Picture: Rodger Bosch/AFP
So they have not so much punished Erasmus, but they have punished the Springboks.
Erasmus
is banned from all rugby for the next two months, which means he cannot
work with the women’s squads, he cannot work with the Sevens squad, he
cannot make any contribution to the development programmes and to all
the other rugby programmes he oversees.
Erasmus was not
fined and is on full pay, but his rugby brain, which makes for a better
rugby world, has been muted for the next two months. The only loser is
the growth of the game and the only winner is the establishment.
I have never understood how easily people ‘just want to get on with it’ when the establishment decides a decision is final.
It
is why apartheid survived for as long as it did. It is why a white
police officer had no qualms about putting his knee on a black man’s
neck and, over the course of nine minutes and in full view of the world,
proceeded to kill the man through suffocation.
This
happened because of privilege and because of this privileged belief from
within those who are privileged that they are untouchable.
Kolisi
should be among the most revered figures in world rugby and Berry
should be among the most reviled. Kolisi should be revered for what he
means to rugby and Berry reviled for on-field actions that should have
disgusted rugby.
But no, the white men of World Rugby rallied to
protect the white referee and comforted his distress while they took aim
at the black captain, whose distress they said was his own perceived
truth.
World Rugby’s leadership won’t die, which is why the only way forward for the game is through revolution and not evolution.
In
the interim, all you will read is why it is time to move on, but your
response should be that it is impossible to move on from such bias,
prejudice and racism.
@mark_keohane
------------- pappashanga
Posted By: Mark W-J
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2021 at 16:03
What an absolute tool. Most South African fans were quick to distance themselves from Keohane and his opinions in the immediate aftermath of Rassie's hearing. Reminds me of that incident about 20 years ago when a South African spectator ran onto the pitch and assaulted the referee (David McHugh?) during a Tri-Nations because his decisions were disrespectful to the Springboks.
Posted By: Pappashanga
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2021 at 16:07
Always interesting to see what other people think, even if you disagree with it.
------------- pappashanga
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2021 at 17:19
What a load of vitriolic tosh - everyone knows that Erasmus produced his video rant to influence the referees in the following SA v Lions matches.
The only, surprise is that it took World Rugby so long to ban him - should have been suspended immediately pending a full investigation.
As for the intimated racism by The referee - why is it that the frontline South African front row start on the bench?
I suspect it is because of the quota system employed in South African sport , which in itself is a r a c I s t policy.
As for Erasmus still being on full pay whilst suspended - surely that is South African rugby endorsing his views?
------------- RAID ON
Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 17 May 2022 at 18:04
Rassie is currently spending his time off taking an intensive first aid course so he can run onto the pitch with a medical bag.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/61480868" rel="nofollow - World Rugby clamps down on water-carrying coaches
South Africa director of rugby Rassie Erasmus can no longer enter the field as a water-carrier under new rules.
Erasmus controversially used the role to pass on advice to his team during the British and Irish Lions' series and autumn Tests last year.
"The number of people who aren't players interrupting the flow of the game was getting out of hand," said World Rugby's Mark Harrington.
Head coaches and directors of rugby are explicitly banned from carrying water.
The new rules also state that water carriers will be allowed to come on to the pitch only twice in each half. At other times they must remain in a technical zone on the touchline.
Water will be available for players behind the dead ball line or from their teams' technical zone if they need to rehydrate outside the agreed windows.
Penalties could be awarded against teams if their off-field staff infringe the new trial laws that come into force globally from 1 July.
"No-one should approach, address or aim comments at the match officials, save for medics in respect of treatment of a player," states one.
"Should this happen, the sanction will be a penalty kick."
Erasmus is serving a ban from any involvement in Springboks matchdays as punishment for an hour-long video he made criticising the officials' performance in the first Test defeat by the Lions in July, a series the home side went on to win 2-1.
The new rules have been introduced following feedback from around the world and are supported by players' union International Rugby Players.
marigold wrote:
2h ago