Promotion
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Topic: Promotion
Posted By: Camquin
Subject: Promotion
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2022 at 12:35
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According to rumours on the Quins' board, the plan is to go to a 14 team premiership after next season, and then introduce a play-off between the bottom of the Prem and the winner of the Championship at the end of the 23/24 season. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2022 at 14:55
I wonder where these rumours stemmed from? Guessing that someone on the Quins' board may have read the Telegraph article that's been posted in the 'Huge Weekend' thread? Either that or they read it on RM and then posted it and now it's being recycled on RM?
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Camquin wrote:Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2022 at 15:16
Quite. ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: kempstonblue
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2022 at 16:20
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According to rumours, HM The Queen is giving Premiership Status to Windsor RFC, as part of this Platinum Jubilee. ------------- The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused. |
Posted By: Mark W-J
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2022 at 16:20
| The Chief Exec of Premier Rugby said it on the bonus edition of the Rugby Union Weekly podcast. |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2022 at 10:48
The very same guy quoted by the Telegraph. Still no guarantee this'll happen, but I think we can refer to 'reports' rather than 'rumours'...
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2022 at 11:18
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I have played on the Great Park, and while it is a lovely ground, but I am not sure if it meets the Premiership criteria, but if the chief exec is happy for the Queen to promote them, who am I to argue. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2022 at 09:35
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Doncaster Knights finished second in the RFU Championship last season, but requirements for the RFU Premiership state a ground must have a capacity of 10,001. The club is proposing to build two new stands to increase potential supporter space from the current 5,139. Doncaster Council has not set a date to consider the application. According to the https://www.bbc.com/lnp/ldrs" rel="nofollow - Local Democracy Reporting Service , at the end of the 2021/22 season the RFU told the club it could be denied promotion if its ground could not accommodate 10,001 fans. The proposals for the expansion would see the new East and South stands offering room for 10,015 fans. The proposed seating stand on the east side of the pitch would be behind the existing standing terrace. A new south stand would replace the existing seated terrace. The club said the work, which also includes creating additional parking at Castle Park in Wheatley Hills, would also offer improvements to disabled facilities at the ground. A spokesman for the club said: "The proposal is appropriate in this location and would enhance an existing sporting facility both in terms of the quality of experience offered to its users and the overall visual appearance of the ground." He said the level of additional traffic would not result in problems on roads in the area and level of parking was adequate. |
Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2022 at 09:37
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-62138578" rel="nofollow - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-62138578 Doncaster Knights submit proposals to expand capacity to 10015 by adding two new stands
------------- Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny! |
Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2022 at 12:13
| If the financial of Wasps and Worcester are not resolved there may be room for half a dozen promotions. |
Posted By: Woody
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2022 at 12:24
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What is the status of the financial situations of those two clubs? Is it a realistic possibility that they could be sanctioned ahead of the season? If a Saracens scenario occurred would Ealing and Donny go up with grounds as is to plug the gap? That would be something. ------------- Forever Green. |
Posted By: Stalwart
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2022 at 13:32
Not a chance.
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Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2022 at 13:45
------------- Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD. |
Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2022 at 16:11
Hi CC I think it's more a case of having the plans, proposals in place, relevant regulations in place and ready to go, Just in case.
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2022 at 17:02
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Woody, Wasps are seeking to refinance the bond they issued to buy the Stadium. We are expecting an announcement on the 29th. There is a definite risk it will default. Meanwhile, Colin Golding, who co-owns Worcester, is in trouble with the Solicitor's Disciplinary Tribunal. Apparently, while still a trainee, he was put in charge of his Law firm's London office and about £8m went missing. However, he almost immediately left the law for venture capital and is still permitted to work in that role, just not as a solicitor. And because he was technically a trainee and should have been supervised, his firm is taking most of the blame. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2022 at 17:39
It would have been a useful investment pot to start with in venture capital! But he's innocent until proven guilty so .....
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Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2022 at 17:51
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[/QUOTE] IMO this is a daft idea which would involve a total waste of money. Castle Park is a brilliant ground now but to build a stadium like that purely to meet crazy rules imposed by the RFU and then see matches with a thousand or so punters attending makes no sense. There is clearly limited money in the game lets stop wasting it. [/QUOTE] Hi CC I think it's more a case of having the plans, proposals in place, relevant regulations in place and ready to go, Just in case. [/QUOTE]
My thoughts exactly.  ------------- Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny! |
Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2022 at 06:04
| As an Ealing fan, I wish that they were taking some sort of concrete action like Donny is. I took a jog past Vallis Way last night, and there has been no construction at all this summer. It appears that they are relying on the vague promise of changes being made to minimum criteria. |
Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2022 at 07:31
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I see Ealing were at Medway last night signing up with their Womens section (which is huge) with the promise of prem rugby ------------- So many Christians not enough Lions |
Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2022 at 12:00
I have heard that Ealing intenda to push for a Premier 15s side. An interesting aspiration.
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Posted By: Member728
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2022 at 12:09
going to be difficult for them unless they do a Harlequins buy in London Irish women are now in National South 1 looking to go up could be a lot of problems for the Richmond women's section
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Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2022 at 12:56
I think some more Northern Ladies Teams should be created to compete - but that will take time. Our ladies team is a long way off of that level but would like to see that being promoted locally as a route into competitive rugby. One day perhaps. ------------- Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny! |
Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2022 at 15:59
Absolutely. The likelihood is that should Doncaster extend their capacity to 10,015 PRL will set the required capacity to 10,016. In sporting terms the best thing Doncaster could do is to get themselves into National League One asap where they could enjoy top quality rugby free of the politics of the co-rrupt Premiership and the dying Championship. The only benefit the Premiership and Championship serve is they keep PRL & the RFU out of National League rugby and long may that continue.
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Posted By: dropout22
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2022 at 16:22
The lack of investment from RFC has created their own issues. Ealing getting a Premier 15s side can be a way for the Men's side to enter L1 in the men's system. The women's academy is now tied to the agreement with Brunel same as the men's which is run as it's own seperate business.
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Posted By: dropout22
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2022 at 16:22
Great news, well done Doncaster
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Posted By: No 7
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2022 at 11:45
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I was at Ealing Trailfinders this week and spoke with a person in the know. They said that a planning consent is in the making ( this is slightly worrying in that a planning application can take several months ). This is particularly long winded in London . The call was to build at Vallis Way ! . The construction is at least a year in my opinion. I deduct that some sort of agreement is in place that if Ealing Traifinders can win the league they will phase in the construction of seating and facilities over a period of time and that must be three years from the start of this new season 22/ 23. ------------- Ambition should be made of sterner stuff. |
Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2022 at 20:22
Hi CC I think it's more a case of having the plans, proposals in place, relevant regulations in place and ready to go, Just in case. [/QUOTE]
My thoughts exactly. [/QUOTE]
Doncaster are caught in a catch-22 position. Why invest in the rugby each season without a return on their investment - by reaching the Premiership and reaping any rewards. Do they continue to 'waste' that money or do something to ensure that money isn't wasted? They appear to have gone for the latter option. Time will tell if they are right, but they are well run club and ultimately have to make a difficult decision. ------------- Moderator http://www.leaguerugby.co.uk" rel="nofollow - National League Rugby Message Boards Remember Wakefield RFC |
Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2022 at 10:29
| According to the Worcester News site, apparently the RFU has agreed to lower the Minimum Standards Criteria to 5000. At time of audit in January 2023, a club must have capacity for 5000 plus planning permission to develop up to a capacity of 10001 with funding in place to achieve this with a requirement to 10001 by start of 24/25 season. Not sure where they have received this info as I haven't seen it anywhere else, but it was announced as breaking news as part of their rugby coverage today around the Warrior's troubles. |
Posted By: Mark W-J
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2022 at 10:33
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Championship Rugby have just tweeted this: https://twitter.com/Champrugby/status/1570699008401899522?t=43O4AaUksLvOF2djdOqAew&s=19" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/Champrugby/status/1570699008401899522?t=43O4AaUksLvOF2djdOqAew&s=19
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Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2022 at 11:44
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It is a small step forward but still too many restrictions, none of which the existing clubs had to deal with. Rugby should learn from the Premier League where Bournemouth can operate with a capacity of 11,364, a third to a quarter of most clubs. It is up to them if they develop/increase further. This is what should happen in Rugby. ------------- Moderator http://www.leaguerugby.co.uk" rel="nofollow - National League Rugby Message Boards Remember Wakefield RFC |
Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2022 at 12:55
You couldn't be more correct Richard ------------- ''The future isn't what it used to be'' |
Posted By: Stalwart
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2022 at 21:44
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Just seen this on Facebook: Both games this weekend will go ahead as scheduled; University of Worcester Warriors vs Harlequins on Saturday & Warriors vs Exeter Chiefs on Sunday. Reduced capacity for both games (1,999 for women's game, 4,999 for men's) due to health and safety regulations based upon number of stewards, medical provision available. Club avoid suspension from all rugby competitions after meeting 12PM deadline set by the RFU. Still no update in regards the sale of the rugby club but owners insist deal remains close. Great for Worcester, but this looks like setting a precedent to me.
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Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2022 at 23:41
| Ooh, just under the Premiership New Minimum Standards provisional criteria too I notice..... |
Posted By: Stalwart
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2022 at 10:26
Funny that!
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Posted By: kempstonblue
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2022 at 22:15
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The way it’s going, will we have a 12 team Premiership? The real question for us remains. In this turmoil will the Championship continue as a 12 team affair? Or will it be 14 next season? It feels weird regional 1 and below 12 (or fewer) teams, all four National Clubs leagues 14. Okay we might need to sacrifice Championship Cup though. ------------- The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused. |
Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2022 at 10:15
| 14 makes perfect sense and I believe what most, if not all, of the club's want. Sacrifice the Championship Cup - what a great loss that would be!?!? |
Posted By: Brizzer
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2022 at 13:00
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This is quite distressing. I am no lover of Wuss, but a rugby club is a rugby club and you never like to see the players and in particularly, the staff, suffer. The owners are obviously hatchet men, but you have to say that the current model is not working. The danger now is that they continue to cut other funding (to the Championship) to fund a sinking model. The result will be to take half of the Championship with the PL as it implodes. I really don’t know what the answer is, but it isn’t this. Wasps are on the cusp. Who is next? ------------- Tackle Low!!!!! |
Posted By: No 7
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2022 at 15:01
Could it be classed.......to statement . ------------- Ambition should be made of sterner stuff. |
Posted By: Woody
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2022 at 08:20
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So if Worcester are unexpectedly coming down at the end of the season, what does that mean for the rest of the Champ? Will two go down now? Can two now go up? ------------- Forever Green. |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2022 at 08:54
Good questions Woody. Quite a few factors in play here:
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Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2022 at 08:54
| I think it's going to be treated as if Worcester finished bottom so it would still be one up-one down (barring RFU MSC shenanigans). |
Posted By: Pappashanga
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2022 at 09:04
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Will Worcester receive a parachute payment? Will most of their players disappear and they’ll gradually sink like Leeds? Not sure why they’re being treated differently to Richmond and London Scottish twenty odd years ago. ------------- pappashanga |
Posted By: Stalwart
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2022 at 09:31
Completely agree. If all their players go how will they build a squad to compete in The Championship? If they still play at Sixways how will they cover the costs of running a huge stadium like that? It's horrible for everyone at the club but this feels like it might be death by a thousand cuts.
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Posted By: Mark W-J
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2022 at 10:51
Or Old Elthamians, Rugby Lions, London Nigerians, Haywards Heath - the list goes on.
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Posted By: Pappashanga
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2022 at 12:12
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Exactly. Part of the cartel? Vested interests? Don’t have to be Einstein to work it out. ------------- pappashanga |
Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2022 at 13:15
My view. If Worcester can be salvaged, they will be automatically relegated (in effect the same way that Saracens were after their shenanigans) because they have undergone an insolvency event. If Worcester can't be saved, then I suspect they will disappear totally. It makes no sense to have a phoenix club playing at the lowest levels when you already have the amateur Worcester RFC already in the league pyramid. I don't believe anyone can blame the current events to Covid - for reasons I have explained elsewhere on this board. The same goes for Wasps. If Wasps solve their financial problems then they should be able to play out the current season but if they underwent an insolvency event to facilitate that, then they should also be relegated out of the Premiership as per the rules. If Wasps are wound up then I believe similar to Worcester. I can see them 'merge' back into the amateur in club. This could mean that next season the Championship will have two extra clubs - and potentially a tough fight to top the table from Ealing and Doncaster etc. ------------- Moderator http://www.leaguerugby.co.uk" rel="nofollow - National League Rugby Message Boards Remember Wakefield RFC |
Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2022 at 15:32
Just become a Premiership club's second team like London Scottish!
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Posted By: Bedfordian
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2022 at 07:57
| The RFU getting what they deserved. Full promotion and relegation would allow struggling clubs to be replaced with well backed new clubs. This allows the prem clubs to readdress their finances and go again rather than perpetually struggling and stretching themselves just to stay there |
Posted By: Fly Half
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2022 at 08:22
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Absolutely, I wonder what the stable / well run clubs like Cornish, Ealing, Doncaster think about allowing clubs like Wasps and Worcester straight into the Championship. Seems all the RFU are worried about, is getting Wasps and Worcester back into the Premiership as soon as possible, writing off the debts and carrying on as before. I've not heard anything about limiting future debts, reducing the salary cap( I actually believe they want to increase it) or cutting squad size. Both Newcastle and Irish seem to be on dodgy ground in terms of debt/losses. |
Posted By: Pappashanga
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2022 at 10:29
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Makes a complete farce of the ring fencing. ------------- pappashanga |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2022 at 18:34
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There is no guarantee there will be a professional team in Worcester, or one in black and gold. Worcester RFC will play in Regional 2 - though they are pressing for promotion, and Wasps FC will play in Counties 2. But,
if an investor were to come in with the budget to buy and run a
Premiership side - that is with tens of millions to burn, they could put
together a side that would be far too strong for those leagues. Mind
you, it might be cheaper to invest in the amateur club and take them to
the Premiership, than pay off the accumulated debts.
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Posted By: dropout22
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2022 at 20:53
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Would love to see a 12 team premiership and 12 team championship with a cup competition between both of them. I only see Worcester playing Championship at the highest level next season, if they do play. Wasps to me , seem way more commercially attractive to buy for an investor then warriors.
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Posted By: dropout22
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2022 at 20:54
Regional 2 is Level 6? Not a bad starting place to repush up the leagues. Much better then starting at Level 9/10 with some sides playing in parks
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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2022 at 10:04
Commercially attractive? Have you actually seen how deep in it they are, and have been for years (well before covid)? ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: workerbee
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2022 at 14:36
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Relegating both Worcester and Wasps to the Championship is a cop out, letting any new owners wipe the slate clean and have a quiet season before returning to the prem, whilst the creditors lose income they cannot afford. How many suppliers will also be dragged down into insolvency? Relegation to the championship will have a knock-on effect on other prudent clubs in that league with two being relegated to accommodate them and of course this will again affect Promotion and relegation is all the leagues below. I am sorry for the mess this has caused to the innocent supporters, but you have to question the logic of one league demotion when clubs like Richmond, London Welsh had to climb from the bottom. Why not Wasps and Worcester.
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Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2022 at 14:55
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Workerbee your logic and sense of equity and fairness is clearly completely correct but this is the RFU and their partners the PRL. Self interest and spin is almost sure to prevail over any sense of equity. What has our game come to? ------------- ''The future isn't what it used to be'' |
Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2022 at 14:57
Spot on.  ------------- "My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts." |
Posted By: Guinness John
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2022 at 16:04
Spot on. [/QUOTAbsolutely right, but that's logical so doesn't apply.]
------------- Bedford Blues Supporter of the Year 2010 - 2011 |
Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2022 at 16:52
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If that's the case, it's also a cop-out if the Warriors magically give everything to Worcester RFC. Mind you, its a bit harder for Wasps RFC to give everything to Wasps FC (What with the franchise move to Coventry) but if either do what London Welsh did by just taking over London Welsh Amateur's place in the leagues because they are "legally separate clubs", that is copping out. Both of them, if they have to withdraw completely, should start right at the bottom of the county leagues and let them fight their way up through the amateur clubs they left behind when they embarked on the professional bandwagon.
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Posted By: marigold
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2022 at 19:09
| If you want to get really agitated about this subject watch Dallaglio's comments ahead of the Wasps v Northampton game on BT Sport this afternoon. He was arguing that because of their history Wasps should not be relegated if they go into administration. I would humbly suggest that Richmond, London Scottish and London Welsh have/had considerably more and deeper history than Wasps but that did not stop them having to start again at the bottom. A bit rich coming from a Wasps Director supposedly being paid to give at least close to a neutral and balanced viewpoint. |
Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2022 at 08:59
I can imagine the Premiership quickly rewriting the promotion/relegation criteria to include 'history' as a criteria.  ------------- Moderator http://www.leaguerugby.co.uk" rel="nofollow - National League Rugby Message Boards Remember Wakefield RFC |
Posted By: Redted
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2022 at 09:46
| It’s been posted that Doncaster, Ealing and Pirates are stable all managed clubs. Considering that 2 of those rely on a lot of their income from one source that’s not exactly a recipe for stability. |
Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2022 at 09:51
I wouldn't put it past them, but they will be wide open for a lawsuit from the Championship clubs (especially Ealing who would certainly feel they'd been betrayed)
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Posted By: Thunderbird
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2022 at 11:24
| Why on earth would any well run Championship Club want to join the Premiership? In this present climate I can see no benefit what so ever. |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2022 at 11:39
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There is roughly £12m per annum in extra revenue attached to being a Premiership club - from Gallagher, TV, RFU and from the extra value of the shirt and ground sponsorship. If you can keep expenditure in check and retain your place, it should be possible to break even. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: rugbychris
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2022 at 12:57
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The premiership has been a closed shop for at least 5 years possibly more. Why are clubs paying up to the salary cap (and wanting to exceed it). Do they get extra prize money for finishing higher up the table or does Europen rugby swell the coffers? Perhaps the salary cap should be tied to gate receipts?
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Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2022 at 16:41
It should be possible to break even but no one has yet done so on a consistent basis. I'm with Thunderbird. I can think of absolutely no sporting reason why anyone would want to join the morally and financially bankrupt Premiership.
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Posted By: Mark W-J
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2022 at 20:40
Mark Evans has some interesting views on this, having worked in England and Australia, union and league. He was saying that in the NRL, the salary cap is fixed at 28% of turnover.
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Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2022 at 11:59
| I would agree that any salary cap needs to be expressed as a %age of turnover, whatever that figure may be rather than £x million for every single club which makes no sense at all. You wouldn't expect ManU to have the same salary cap as Brentford would you even though they're in the same league. As always the problem would be policing but if clubs then choose to use "backdoor" payments through "clever" accountants then frankly if they go bust why should there be any sympathy or leniency given when the s..t hits the fan? |
Posted By: Brizzer
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2022 at 13:23
I agree with the sentiment, but from a sporting point of view I think that most clubs/players would want to play in the Prem. Isn’t that the ultimate sporting challenge, to test yourself against the best at the highest level? Now from a financial and stability point of view, that is a completely different question. I Agee with Thunderbird, if you have a financially stable club, why would you want to risk it? ------------- Tackle Low!!!!! |
Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2022 at 14:23
| Just saw that Wasps have pulled out of their game against Exeter for this weekend! |
Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2022 at 14:47
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Financial reasons cited ------------- Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny! |
Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2022 at 15:05
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/oct/12/wasps-pull-out-of-exeter-match-and-set-to-enter-administration-within-days?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other" rel="nofollow - https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/oct/12/wasps-pull-out-of-exeter-match-and-set-to-enter-administration-within-days?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other ------------- Moderator http://www.leaguerugby.co.uk" rel="nofollow - National League Rugby Message Boards Remember Wakefield RFC |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2022 at 15:08
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Latest Wasps news via link below. The various companies that make up Wasps are set to go into administration before end of the week, paving the way for potential relegation in the same way as Worcester. Which would leave 11 teams in the 22/23 Prem. And as for the 23/24 Prem, and 23/24 Champ, who knows? What a sorry mess... https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/rugby/wasps-takeover-mike-ashley-25233715" rel="nofollow - https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/rugby/wasps-takeover-mike-ashley-25233715
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Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2022 at 15:11
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One of the unspoken parts about both Worcester and Wasps woes is the impact it has on the Women's game. I've always thought that it shouldn't follow the men in its off the field format for all the problems we know about and thought that regional sides would be best until it can demonstrate growth to support itself, not withstanding commensurate RFU and TV funding. The potential loss of two sides and the issues that affected Darlington MP Sharks last season could lead to more trouble just as the game is growing. ------------- Moderator http://www.leaguerugby.co.uk" rel="nofollow - National League Rugby Message Boards Remember Wakefield RFC |
Posted By: Stalwart
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2022 at 15:35
Absolutely - a sorry mess. This is ultimately down to the RFU not governing the sport properly, it needs a complete revamp.
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Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2022 at 15:41
But haven't the RFU done what the club's wanted, give them power to (mis) manage themselves? It seems to me that is what people keep saying they want but when it happens they don't like it. What is the solution? ------------- Moderator http://www.leaguerugby.co.uk" rel="nofollow - National League Rugby Message Boards Remember Wakefield RFC |
Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2022 at 16:05
"Dear Exeter I'm afraid we have no money and can't play. Best Wishes Wasps"
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Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2022 at 16:07
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As a country we are almost certain going into a recession. Industries and organisations with flawed business models will suffer more than those that are more robustly positioned. I can see the potential for a number of other Premiership sides fall into insolvency. With the prospect of at least two less home games and very little prospect of raising prices or attendances (and probably both of those things need to increase markedly to make Premiership rugby viable) it looks gloomy at best. It will be a brave owner that continues to fund a failing business venture with a deeply flawed business model in good times never mind in a recession. ------------- ''The future isn't what it used to be'' |
Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2022 at 16:09
That is a proper tragedy, especially when the women's game is growing. I think it affects Warriors more because their women's team got suspended along with the men's. But I think Wasps Women will survive because they are affiliated to Wasps FC and not Coventry Wasps. |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2022 at 16:15
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To think when I started this thread, there was talk of a 14 team Premiership. Now, it might be ten. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2022 at 16:22
Add Ealing, Jersey, Nottingham and Bedford (or whoever finishes in the top 4 of the Championship) and you still can.
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Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2022 at 16:23
I think there is every likelihood it maybe 9! ------------- ''The future isn't what it used to be'' |
Posted By: Stalwart
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2022 at 18:00
Not if they drop in two Welsh clubs!
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Posted By: jimbojetset
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2022 at 18:33
Given the way rugby is currently being "managed" I suspect, if that did happen, there would either be still only one team promoted from National One meaning the Championship would have only 9 teams and 13 in National One as well as an ever more reduced revenue at the top three levels of the game, while at the same time insisting Prem Stadiums have 10,000 capacity etc etc. The whole situation is a farce. I hate to say this, but professionalism has ruined the game. Not because it was based on players being paid, but because it was being run by the amateurs who are still living in the 1860's.
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Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2022 at 18:50
Hopefully not, this is the English Premiership. We don't need "foreign" clubs in it. Besides, they already have the URC and it won't help Welsh rugby if they just leave the Dragons and Scarlets to get tonked by the saffas every other week.
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Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2022 at 21:23
Plus any RFU financial benefits accruing to those clubs.... ------------- "My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts." |
Posted By: kempstonblue
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2022 at 22:32
Premiership for Blues? No thanks, not going through that again. Okay the Frank Warren mess didn’t help. ------------- The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused. |
Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2022 at 22:56
It’s about time some of the older Blues supporters got over that! Different stewardship and 20+ years on. The assets of an being frozen from the legal battle would ruin virtually any club. Now we are self sufficient we wouldn’t have that issue.
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Posted By: maire23
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2022 at 00:01
| Do any of my fellow Notts fans know if we still have dibs on Meadow Lane?! |
Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2022 at 07:42
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Do we honestly believe that clubs that are "affiliated" with Prem Teams would be able to attain promotion? Without severing their ties with said premier club? Maire23 I recall seeing something when you folk moved grounds that your club stated they have an MOU in place to cover a situation should they gain promotion up until the end of 2022/23 season. The link below verifies this. https://www.nottscountyfc.co.uk/news/2014/october/notts-county-and-nottingham-rugby-agree-new-deal/" rel="nofollow - https://www.nottscountyfc.co.uk/news/2014/october/notts-county-and-nottingham-rugby-agree-new-deal/ ------------- Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny! |
Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2022 at 08:29
------------- Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD. |
Posted By: Brizzer
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2022 at 12:16
No CC just no!! Let us promote English clubs first please (or those from a Bailiwick). ------------- Tackle Low!!!!! |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2022 at 14:15
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I believe any cross border competition requires consent from IRB / WorldRugby, and the Irish, Italians and South Africans might have something to say. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2022 at 14:18
Exactly this. Glad someone else sees this. On a related thread, I wonder where Ampthill now stand with regard to Wasps loanees (which they seem to have a few of) now they seem to be all but done for? ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: Cherub
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2022 at 15:41
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This is just getting ridiculous, with the perception that the RFU are doing absolutely nothing to resolve the problem. I do not pretend to understand the finances of the Premiership, but wouldn't it be nice if the RFU and The Premiership announced jointly the following, assuming Worcester and Wasps are not around next season: 1 One team gets promoted to the Premiership at the end of this season. 2 The 10,000 capacity rule is reduced to 5,000. This will allow more teams in the Championship, like Bedford and Coventry, to have a crack at promotion. 3 Increase the number of teams in The Championship to 14 by introducing for one season only promotion for the top three sides in National 1. 4 Abandon the pointless Championship Cup. 5 Announce or re-affirm the amount of monies to be paid to each Championship side next season, and when it will be paid, with extra going to sides that also run community teams, an Academy, a Colts and Ladies Section. 6 Announce that Rob Andrew and Big Eddie have been brought in as external consultants to advise. 6 Announce a TV deal with Sky, BT Sport, or Amazon to show Championship games from next season. But of course, this is all pie in the sky and will just not happen. ------------- Always trying to stay bright-eyed and bushy-tailed. |
Posted By: RobC
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2022 at 16:00
| I hate to say it but Rugby needs a Barry Hearn type character to unlock it's potential... |
Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2022 at 17:35
But what is the potential? Let's be totally honest the international game is the only one that Tv, advertisers and casual viewers care about. The club game pales into insignificance. CVC should have had some idea about how to grow the game and reap their financial reward but so far just deafening silence. ------------- Moderator http://www.leaguerugby.co.uk" rel="nofollow - National League Rugby Message Boards Remember Wakefield RFC |
Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2022 at 17:56
Dear Cherub, Please could you let Rob know that as I wasn't completely blown away with the results of his 10 year ten year tenure at the RFU. Having said that everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt so I should reserve judgement. However to ensure that proper value for money can be established I will need our efforts to be separately assessed and separately rewarded. In our Robert's case he may well require a raft of McKinsey's best to assist his efforts over the coming couple of years or so whilst he carries out his extensive investigations. His investigations are likely to include talks with all stake holders and a visit to the USA to speak to those with great experience, more innovative business models. and a penchant for blue sky thinking. These may include: - the NFL, - Donald Trump, - Bernie Madoff - Experts from the Disney corporation and - Elon Musk. After a period of in depth and 'out of the box' analysis Robert will be in a better position to write an extensive report setting out what is really wrong with the Premiership. Robert's report may only conclude that the Premiership could do better but it will surely pave the way for another study group to perhaps come up with some potential solutions For my part I would like to spend a couple of weeks and a few beers with Camquin, Richard Lowther and WEvans .After reviewing the accounts for the PRL, all Premiership clubs and the RFU we will probably conclude that there is too much cost attaching to every £1 of revenue earned. ------------- ''The future isn't what it used to be'' |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2022 at 19:06
Without prejudice, what possible benefit does having a ladies side bring (apart from bringing some spectators for the ladies game)? Oh, and as Longpockets intimated elsewhere: What potential, Rob?
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