The Problem with the ground at Ealing
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Topic: The Problem with the ground at Ealing
Posted By: No 7
Subject: The Problem with the ground at Ealing
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2023 at 15:13
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Posted By: No 7
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2023 at 15:27
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This Aerial shot shows the problem with Ealing Trailfinders access. Bottom right is Vallis way the currently only open access to the ground. All the arriving and leaving the ground is through this gate. The houses in Vallis way are most semi detached and are valued around £1.125 to £1.350. Having a 10,000 crowd visiting ( all opposition supporters ..........obviously not Ealing before anyone says it ) would be over subscribed to choking point. A 5,000 crowd could be possible but other routes in would have to open. Someone suggested we....Ealing should know our place and be resolved to Championship Rugby. I think the matter is out of our hands and I personally would be upset but would accept and enjoy staying in the Championship. ------------- Ambition should be made of sterner stuff. |
Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2023 at 16:39
Is there any direct pedestrian access from Castle Bar Park Station to the ground that doesn't involve walking via Vallis Way? On my one visit to the ground several years ago I recall walking from the station around to Vallis Way to access the ground. Only a ten minute stroll, but if there were a more direct route from the station into the ground that would be no more than a few minutes.
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No 7 wrote:Posted By: No 7
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2023 at 16:57
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Castlebar Station is a small shunt line that comes from the Greenford station ( central Line ) there is a pedestrian bridge across the railway line . I have only ever seen one or two people use it. ------------- Ambition should be made of sterner stuff. |
Posted By: Yeeealing
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2023 at 17:15
I use it all the time , 2 trains every hour from Greenford (central line ) also Paddington station . There is a side access from Castle bar station , it used to be open (but seeing we have only two supporters now 😂 ) it hasn’t been opened for a couple of years ?
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Posted By: oneagainstthehead
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2023 at 17:41
Theoretically, additional vehicle access could be opened up from Crossway and/or Gurnell Grove. However this would require permission and cooperation from our illustrious borough council, for whom anything with four wheels and an engine is the Devil’s chariot! ------------- Speak softly, but carry a big stick. |
Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2023 at 19:14
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As an away supporter I've used the Castle Bar entrance twice over the years but usually go the Vallis Way route from Scotch Common. ------------- Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD. |
Posted By: Rothman2
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2023 at 19:27
| The only problem with the stand is that it is facing the pitch. 🤣🤣 |
Posted By: Trailfinder
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2023 at 19:37
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I suspect this the the nub of the issue, without extra access routes the council won’t approve planning permission for a 10k stadium and hence the impasse with the RFU. Still no statement for Ealing re the minimum standards decision…
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Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2023 at 19:38
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Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2023 at 20:32
| Ealing used to open a gate on the Castlebar Park side, which I greatly miss as it saves me a 10 minute walk (only a minute walk from the station). That route also gives convenient access from a 500 car car park at Gurnell Leisure Center via a public footpath that is a 5-10 minute walk. Vallis Way is less than a mile walk from West Ealing station on the Elizabeth Line, and the branch line to Castlebar Park is going to run more frequently with battery shuttle trains in the future. In short, much better access than Twickers, the Stoop, or Saracen's ground. Lack of statement from the club still disgraceful and insulting to the fans. |
Posted By: No 7
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2023 at 20:56
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I agree Gerg there should be a truthful and honest explanation posted. ------------- Ambition should be made of sterner stuff. |
Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2023 at 22:13
I've seen that stand filled 3 times - Championship Cup final vs. Irish, London Broncos vs. Rhinos, and Saracens in the Playoffs. Would love to see it filled more often, and perhaps local derbys against Irish, Quins and Saracens would do it if we weren't held down.
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Posted By: workerbee
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2023 at 11:15
I think there are possibly two options why Ealing have not responding to the RFU Judgement on ground criteria.
Obviously why would Ealing continue to continue to give contracts to Premiership and Welsh Divisional players and build up an even more powerful squad only to stay in the Championship and beat most opposition by 50 points. |
Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2023 at 11:47
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Were there any problems when Ealing played Sarries in the playoff at Vallis Way? I assume a local derby would have been a reasonable test. ------------- Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD. |
Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2023 at 17:30
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Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2023 at 19:04
------------- Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD. |
Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2023 at 19:16
Twickenham is crap to get too and from
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Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2023 at 13:46
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On a similar point is Castle Park is the same position regarding access? ------------- Moderator http://www.leaguerugby.co.uk" rel="nofollow - National League Rugby Message Boards Remember Wakefield RFC |
Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2023 at 13:47
I would say Castle Park is easier to access
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Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2023 at 14:13
Is the only access road still off the Armthorpe Road? I usually go there by train/bus but I have seen cars trying to access/exit pre/post games and although it maybe "easier to access" its not perfect and would be worse if a 10,000 crowd was trying to do it. ------------- Moderator http://www.leaguerugby.co.uk" rel="nofollow - National League Rugby Message Boards Remember Wakefield RFC |
Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2023 at 17:04
I believe that if, and that's a bloody big if, Donny get promoted and expand the ground. Part of the upgrade will be a 2nd access by using the land on the right as you go in for parking, coupled with the extra access point.
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Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2023 at 18:18
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This has been covered in the planning application ------------- Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny! |
Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2023 at 15:45
And normally crap when you are actually there!
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Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2023 at 13:34
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With French Top 14 reaching over 43,000 for some matches where stadium capacity permits, Premiership matches have a way to go. Toulon have a 16,000 capacity stadium but their match against Toulouse was moved to Mar seille to achieve the 43,804 attendance above.
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2023 at 14:58
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Quins got over 50,000 at the Big Stoop yesterday. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2023 at 16:05
But what an awful ground - and I wonder if they actually make any more (following deductions) than a full house at the Stoop? Still, if people want to spend entrance money to slop beer around, who am I to worry? ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2023 at 16:15
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I think the break even is about 30,000. Which is why they are doing two a season now. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2023 at 18:50
I believe Quins get 1 or 2 games at HQ free of charge as part of a historic agreement, so unlike Saracens who have to hire Wembley/Tottenham FC at a cost they are more likely to make a profit z- although I imagine 50K was lower than they hoped for/ expected ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2023 at 20:49
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Well, it should have been the Christmas game - but rail strikes put paid to that. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |