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Topic: Premiership considers away fan sections
Posted By: Steve@Mose
Subject: Premiership considers away fan sections
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2024 at 17:53
No.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cy7825d814vo" rel="nofollow - Premiership considers introducing away fan sections

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The Premiership is considering bringing in sections purely for away fans to heighten the atmosphere at top-flight matches.

Traditionally crowds have been unsegregated and, while mixing with opposition fans is one of rugby's attractions, it is thought that dedicated, concentrated away areas may encourage more noise.

"There are a number of clubs that are very keen to engage on that," said Premiership Rugby's chief growth officer Rob Calder.

"We've talked to them about identifying areas and getting the pricing, and communication right."

The proposal has been born out league-wide discussions on improving fan experience.



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Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2024 at 18:05
The one thing that makes rugby so inclusive and enjoyable and they want to remove it, I don't think I will ever go to a Premiership rugby match again.


Posted By: Donnyknightfan
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2024 at 19:15
These clowns running the game don’t have a clue do they?. That idea is absolutely rancid. Mixing with away supporters and having good natured banter whilst watching the game is what makes rugby unique. 

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Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2024 at 19:43
This may have something to do with attendees being fans not supporters - man in the street as opposed to those with a link to rugby as a player, member, parent etc

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Posted By: cheshire exile
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2024 at 20:00
Can the RFU dictate how clubs run their seating policy??


Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2024 at 20:22
Originally posted by cheshire exile cheshire exile wrote:

Can the RFU dictate how clubs run their seating policy??

Probably, if they put it in the regulations. But I really hope they don't do it. 


Posted By: Deva Delinquent
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2024 at 20:33
This should be left well alone.

I can see why they're looking at this, but eventually we'll end up losing what we have to the same tribalism as football.

I hope they aren't thinking about doing this for internationals too. 


Posted By: JZSmith
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2024 at 11:53
So after agreeing to televise every single game live for the money the Premiership are now worried about the lack of atmosphere?

 


Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2024 at 12:21
No need to make this "official". When Ealing went to Bath, the supporters association just suggested where to buy tickets.


Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2024 at 13:00
Agreed.
Most supporter groups do this.


Posted By: Stoatgobbler
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2024 at 20:09
The Premiership should try wobbling their heads.


Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2024 at 22:05
Originally posted by cheshire exile cheshire exile wrote:

Can the RFU dictate how clubs run their seating policy??

It's not the RFU but the Premiership clubs. 




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Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2024 at 22:17
I’ve always argued that rugby clubs have supporters, soccer clubs have fans. The latter is short for fanatics so keeping them apart makes sense.


Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2024 at 22:58
Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

I’ve always argued that rugby clubs have supporters, soccer clubs have fans. The latter is short for fanatics so keeping them apart makes sense.

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Posted By: Rothman2
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2024 at 03:32
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Posted By: chas
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2024 at 10:21
Would the away fans be charged the same price  as the home members and supporters, or do the premiership clubs think they can charge away fans more for their special away section?


Posted By: Breakdown
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2024 at 18:07
I would be very careful about this if I were PRL. It is most likely to demonstrate that a couple of Prem clubs have very few travelling supporters and reinforce the idea that rugby union is really struggling in some parts of the country. 

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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2024 at 17:21
Originally posted by chas chas wrote:

Would the away fans be charged the same price  as the home members and supporters, or do the premiership clubs think they can charge away fans more for their special away section?


Football clubs normally have agreements whereby the away fans pay less for admission tha home fans do (excluding season tickets)

Having attended a couple of level 6 football matches recently (my rugby team were away) I can say that fans were not segregated and I didn't observe any problems in the crowd.

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Posted By: Mark W-J
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2024 at 08:06
The point of this isn't segregation. It's to give visiting supporters the opportunity - if they want to do so - to sit together to create a more concentrated noise for their team.  It's not mandatory, although as gerg has suggested, it's not too difficult for supporter groups to make plans to buy tickets together anyway.


Posted By: JZSmith
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2024 at 13:15
Indeed Mark. Basically a non-story.


Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2025 at 10:04
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/ckgepgj2k2ko" rel="nofollow - 'We don't want to be like football, but...' - inside rugby's 'away end'

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The referee initially allowing a Leicester try despite a clear knock-on in the build-up. Harlequins wing Cameron Anderson, concussed on the floor, being shown a red card. England team-mates Alex Dombrandt and Ollie Chessum squaring up.

There were plenty of flashpoints at Mattioli Woods Welford Road on Saturday.

Yet the dedicated away fans section stubbornly refused to ignite into more than mild frustration.

On the fringes, where Richard Buck, sporting a Harlequins' striped blazer, and Phil Ellis, a slightly bewildered Leicester season ticket holder of 16 years, sat side by side, the only thing lobbed between the two were pleasantries and cheery small talk.

"I've been a bit ambused by this today," Ellis smiled. "You usually get the odd smattering of away fans but this is a bit more concentrated than normal."

"They are all good lads though."

'Away ends arrive in rugby' shouted the headlines - including our's - last month when Premiership Rugby last announced two trial matches with specified areas for visiting supporters.

It is a story with couple of caveats though.

Firstly, they aren't really away ends. At least certainly not the aggro-and-pyro, strict segregation scenario the phrase brings to mind in this country.

Fans are not kept apart. And neither are they forced to sit with their own tribe. The option to mix in with the hosts is still there and taken by many.

And, secondly, away ends haven't just arrived in rugby. Travelling fan groups have been block-booking sections of opposition stands off their own backs for decades.

Quinssa - Harlequins' supporters association, external - are one of the most proactive.

They have concentrated more than a thousand fans together on European jaunts, where ticket offices are more accommodating and the idea of any travelling fans is novel.

Their members, given a dedicated area because of Covid restrictions of the time, helped inspire their team's semi-final comeback against Bristol at Ashton Gate in 2021.

Their club's trip to Welford Road, which holds more than 25,000, was an obvious pick for the Premiership's trial.

"It is a great initiative," said Leicester chief executive Andrea Pinchen, playing host.

"We want to be innovative, we want to try new things and it adds to the atmosphere with fans of both sides getting louder and louder,"

Her Quins counterpart Laurie Dalrymple, who was previously managing director of Premier League football side Wolves, agrees.

"It isn't the catch-all that is going to fix all the challenges we have had in our sport over the past few years, but not necessarily about that," he said.

"It is about giving a slightly different fan experience for the diversifying audience that we need to reach and grow."

There was certainly a diversity of opinions in the stands.

Neither Buck or Ellis thought it was necessary.

"We all should mix," said Ellis. "I have been all over the country with Leicester and I don't want to particularly sit with Leicester fans, I just go and look for the best seat!"

Elsewhere, there was support.

"If you are with people you know, who support the same team, you are going to be more confident," said Megan Schroeder.

"You are going to chant more, you are going to sing more, there is more hype and enjoyment.

"Whereas if you are just surrounded by opposition fans, it makes you think you might just sit and be quiet.

"There is a reason why football works so well. We don't want to be like football, but we still want an element of that competition. Definitely."

"I am all for it," added Brandon Wells.

"It builds the atmosphere, and you are more inclined to travel if you are sat with people you know and you can sing the same songs.

"I am worried our game is going to die. We need to grow the game and this is a step in the right direction."

Nick and Joel Baker, attending with their Leicester-supporting partners and sat among the Tigers fans, summed up the split.

"I am a bit more old school," said Nick. "I like mixing in together and having a laugh and a bit of fun. There is never any nastiness at rugby, it's not like football where you need the segregation. I am not a great fan of it, to be honest."

"I think it is good to have the option," said Joel. "If you support a club and now live in a different part of the country, it is nice to sit in with your fellow fans.

"I have lived in Leicester for five or six years and it is nice to hear some familiar accents when they come to town."

As Leicester's lead stretched out in the second half, the volume dipped on the London voices though.

The lowing sound of 'C'mon you Quins' and more youthful chanting of star fly-half Marcus Smith's name become less frequent and more quiet.

Only 500-odd strong, Harlequins fans were unlikely to break through often, even if the match had been more even.

By contrast, Gloucester's fans, congregated in the more sphazelnutly-attended Stonex Stadium for last weekend's first trial match, made their presence felt and voices heard, external with some pithy chants about the deficiencies of London life and Saracens fly-half Fergus Burke.

Whatever Burke made of it, other players have been supportive of the idea.

Harlequins flanker Will Evans, who has spoken about the benefits of away support for visiting teams and the league as a whole,, external notably offered up applause to the Quins section.

Leicester's players also relish focused pockets of support when on the road, according to Pinchen.

Whether they will see more of it on next season's travels will depend on how Premiership Rugby, who will rebrand the competition for the next campaign, and its clubs' leaders, not all of whom have initially been keen, assess these two experiments.

Judging by Saturday though, any expansion won't be the radical change to matchday alchemy some traditionalists most feared.


Posted By: Stalwart*
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2025 at 10:51
Rearranging the deckchairs on The Titanic while the game sinks under the ineptitude of the RFU and self-interest of a few "elite" clubs.

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