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Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Originally posted by cheshire exile cheshire exile wrote:

Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

I'm sorry, but some of the reaction from CP supporters is coming across as a bit churlish; you won the game, deservedly IMHO on the back of an excellent 2nd-half display, and banked 4 important points, job done. Does anyone think a 5-0 points split would have been a justified outcome, especially if the foul play was as clear as some have said?

The 'ref changes decision and disallows try based entirely on complaints from Jersey' narrative seems to be being widely portrayed as a nailed-on fact here, which I'm not convinced about... highly unusual for officials (in a game with no TMO) to take action based on an incident none of them have seen.
So what are you saying happened?

I'm not sure what happened, and am being up-front about that, but others are portraying their versions of events as factual when in reality I don't think they can be sure either. I remain doubtful that yesterday's incident involved the officials changing their mind based entirely on what the side conceding the score was telling them - the assistants must surely have noticed the original offence. Assuming they did, I can't explain why it took them so long (50 seconds from scrum to score) to bring it to the ref's attention. Jersey 13 Scott Van Breda was acting captain at the time, and therefore entitled to talk to the referee...

Aware that he was your captain and able to talk to the ref, but at the time he appeared to be able to completely change the referee's mind. Only saying what I saw right in front of me as I was stood in that corner. It was overall a bizarre incident that no longer matters anyway as 1. It wasn't a try and 2. It didn't effect the result. 
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The penalty was given against pirates number 8 Tom Duncan for picking the ball out of the 2nd row.
An offence not given by either the referee or touch judge who was about 15M away from the scrum at the time.
The pirates went through another phase of play before an offload out of the tackle by centre Tommy Wyatt set up wing Robin Wedlake to score in the corner.
The try was given and both judge touches ran in under the posts ready for the conversion.
No approach was made to the referee by either touch judge.
The Jersey bench were out of the dugout shouting at the officials and it was then that their captain approached the referee.
He consulted with the touch judge and then called the pirates captain forward before disallowing the try and awarding Jersey a penalty on their 10m line.
This was kicked to touch just inside our 22 and from the resultant line out we managed to force a knock on and kicked the ball out to end the game.
I think the referee's decision did matter as we held a slender 4 point lead and the final play by Jersey was a catch and drive which if correctly executed could have won them the game.
I have never seen a try awarded in these circumstances disallowed because of the intervention of the opposing captain when it is widely accepted at championship level without the benefit of a TMO the referee's decision is final.

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And still the churlishness continues (in some quarters) from the ungraceful winners... as another account alleges that the try was disallowed (in non-TMO game) entirely based on feedback from the opposing captain... if true, perhaps the first time this has ever happened in the history of the game?

PP - your account of the closing stages is a little flawed, in that from the penalty for the scrum offence to the final whistle was actually six-and-a-half minutes of play; the initial penalty led to a lineout outside the CP 22, with both sides having possession and the Reds having claims for a yellow card when Wedlake went for an intercept but knocked on - ruled as deliberate, but no card. It was from this penalty that the Reds kicked for a lineout inside the CP 22, but couldn't get the maul going and soon afterwards conceded possession and the ball was booted out...


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At least we can watch the Video replay for just £2 
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Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

And still the churlishness continues (in some quarters) from the ungraceful winners...

A bit harsh. It's not a totally invalid criticism.
Anyway, let's move on. 
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Islander,
Apologies you are correct regarding the final play but my point regarding the challenging of the referee's decision is still valid and worthy of debate.
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