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Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Originally posted by sedgley dave sedgley dave wrote:

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My understanding was that the old Hull & East Riding club merged with junior old boys' club Ionians, and moved out of the city. Meanwhile those left behind soldiered on, rose through the leagues, and eventually caught up with Ionians.

If that is incorrect, I apologise to all concerned.


The original Hull and East Riding merged with Ionians to form Hull Ionians. However some of the Hull and ER members didn't agree with the merger, reformed the club and later merged with Hymerians to form the present Hull RUFC. 

In 1989, 'the' Hull & East Riding RUFC merged with Ionians RUFC to form Hull Ionians RUFC and brought all of the history of the Club with them.
Those Hull & ER members,  who didn't agree with the merger, formed a new  rugby Club called 'Hull & East Riding 1989'. After a couple of seasons in the lower Yorkshire leagues (hardly 'soldiering on') this new Club merged with Old Hymerians to become Hull RUFC. 
They were quite ridiculous to not stay with the original Club and then negotiate a different merger 2 seasons later. Selfish really.


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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Yes, but I believe Ionians was a splinter and Hull and ER was a merger - and the original club plays 13 man rugby.

Totally wrong Camquin.
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Anybody know whether the Atlas Group have bought Sixways and hopefully paid the going price for a Premiership rugby stadium hopefully to benefit the Creditors. 
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Well, Hull Ionians claim Hull and ER arose in the 1890s as a break away from one of Hull FC or HKR FC (but do not know which) and that is where the red and white (at the time apparently both wore red and white) comes from. And Ionians (blue and green) were a break away from Old Hymerians.

And H&ER also merged with Hull Spartans and then there was a merger and a breakaway.

And at that point I was confused.
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Originally posted by tulip tulip wrote:

Anybody know whether the Atlas Group have bought Sixways and hopefully paid the going price for a Premiership rugby stadium hopefully to benefit the Creditors. 
According to a post by Steve Diamond I saw quoted the answer seems to be no.................
Goodbye Warriors. My thoughts RIP Worcester Warriors. RIP Duckworth legacy.
RIP Warriors supporters. RIP Rugby Creditors, RIP Stourbridge RFC. RIP.Elite Rugby
The Staff,Players & suppliers have been shafted.
“Frying pan into 🔥”
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So the plan is for Stourbridge and Wasps to play at Sixways and the Stourbridge ground with its RFU funded 3G pitch to only be used for junior rugby.
Stourbridge members if they have any bottle should tell them to get stuffed.

Stourbridge, Wasps, Sixways Rugby perhaps they deserve each other.  If this goes ahead it will all end in tears with yet more people owed money and Sixways being sold off for building.

Who would pay money to watch either team at Sixways?
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They will have the Lions playing in the Counties league. Only two division below where Stourbridge will be next season.
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Spot on Red Ted -  Camquin, not sure there won't be an attempt to "rescue" Stour (sorry New Worcester) from relegation to Level 5 thus saving themselves a year of getting back to Level 2 or 1 as described in their plan
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That would be why it has to happen now. It does mean players can be registered before the Transfer deadline.
But where would you find enough players capable of turning them around.

To survive, they need to beat at least one of Redruth, Dings or Leicester Lions - so you need a National 1 level team
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Whatever happens - for the sake of the game New Worcester need to be relegated! Worst case scenario - Let's assume they recruit some big names and win every game with maximum points which would see them end up on 50
Newport would then need to claim 23 points from their remaining 9 games
Barnstaple 25 from 9, Bournville 28 from 9 to finish above them
We need two of those clubs to achieve those numbers to ensure it happens! I'm sure much will become clearer after New Worcester have visited Newport next Saturday, the day after the transfer deadline
I would be absolutely gutted if my club went down as a result of these shenanigans 
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I agree Thatbloke. It seems from the podcast, the Atlas Group are saying 'deal done', but the Stourbridge communication is saying there needs to be an internal memebers vote. So.....it appears 'deal not done'.   The new owner of Atlas says transparency is key. Im my mind, he does not come over as honest and credible!
Worcester Warriors in their current form owes creditors in excess of £5m. I am guessing that one of the stipulations of the RFU to enter the Championship was to pay its creditors.
Im afraid, this is what unscrupulous companies do when they are broke. They reform under a new name, they are allowed to write off current debts and start again fresh, with a clean slate.
I hope the Stourbridge membership do not fall for the 'story'.
I say go down to level 5 with honour and rebuild your club. Perhasps go to level 6 before the rebuild.
Stourbridge is a great club with great facilities. See the Worcester bid off, and move on.
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Thank you Surrey Rugby - I suppose I may come across as highly emotive on this issue but that is because my club could well be affected by this travesty. It is comforting to hear that there is abhorrence at the suggestions across the wider geographic rugby community. Surely the Stour membership must see they are merely being used by Atlas as a convenient tool to achieve their questionable objectives. It will be the end of their club full stop
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In an ideal world, I am sure Stourbridge would not want this.
But if they don't take it, they still need to pay the RFU for the pitch.

The members could turn round tonight and say, we will stick our hands in our pockets and not take the Atlas money.
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This is NOT a merger ..  this is a takeover and a shabby one at that. I hope Stourbridge laugh this off and Sixways rugby start at the very bottom as they should . . . I think even the RFU wont sanction this!!! Thatbloke you ever reason to feel infuriated!
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It’s a long time since I posted anything on here but this whole business with Stourbridge and Six ways infuriates me. Stourbridge have been a competing club for years and always made out that they have a healthy playing budget etc.
It’s obvious that their model of loaning in players and loaning them out was floored and I have witnessed big defeats at the end of the season where they have run out of players.
The point is why o why didn’t they invest at least some of that money in player development at youth level. Look at Wharfedale ,Tynedale ,Preston Harrogate all in that league with decent junior set ups and also second teams etc.
They divorced their first team from the rest of the club by creating another club.
All of the teams with only one team watch out ithis could happen to you.
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The more I see of O'Toole (I would suggest dropping the O' and the "e") and now Sandford on TV the more they come across as very similar cowboys as the previous owners, just from a different ranch. The RFU have already confirmed they didn't meet the "fit and proper" criteria (yet Diamond's group did) to allow them to enter the Championship so now this shambolic attempt to put two fingers up to the governing body. For God's sake RFU - Step in and do something!! 
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

In an ideal world, I am sure Stourbridge would not want this.
But if they don't take it, they still need to pay the RFU for the pitch.

The members could turn round tonight and say, we will stick our hands in our pockets and not take the Atlas money.

Stourbridge have confirmed that members won't be voting on anything tonight... LINK
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Those that continue to act against the best interests of Stourbridge Rugby Club as a whole won't want a vote until they can ensure the result they want.
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OToole (TOOL) uses the word transparent all the time!    Its the stuff he isnt telling anyone is the worry!
Anyway, Im looking forward to tomorrow's game Worthing Vs Dorking. There will be no takeovers of either club! Both great clubs with great traditions!
Good luck Dorking, the faithfull are all behind you!
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Seems Gloucester are owed £750k from the Wuss club, if they were to demand their money and let the RFU know, that could scupper any money fleecing deal going ahead I would have thought?
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