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    Posted: 16 Jan 2026 at 11:05
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£300k budget, they were alledgedly paying more in National 1
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I'm not keen on dropping the Chinnor name from any rebranding even though the club doesn't play in Chinnor. Does the average person know where Sale is, or Saracens for that matter ?

Thames Valley is vague, it can be anywhere in a large region. Thame Valley might be funny though !

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FHLH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jan 2026 at 15:06
I'd never associate falcon feathers with strength and beauty but that's the origin of the falcon element of the 1963 logo - but then, what's in a name? 

The association with the former Newcastle name is unfortunate. 
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Originally posted by fatbear fatbear wrote:

I'm not keen on dropping the Chinnor name from any rebranding even though the club doesn't play in Chinnor. Does the average person know where Sale is, or Saracens for that matter ?

Thames Valley is vague, it can be anywhere in a large region. Thame Valley might be funny though !


I remember when Sale were Manchester Sale for a while. That went well. From a place they thought people didn't know to being from two separate places.

Then there was Yorkshire Carnegie of course. That went well too. Leeds wanted to represent the entire county but (un)fortunately many in the county didn't want to be represented by Leeds.

Why mess?
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Have you read the article? 

The logic for the proposed name change and rebranding is quite clear on the part of Simon Vickers, who I believe has been involved with Chinnor RFC for decades. 

This seems to be about broadening their reach and developing greater interest levels, fanbase and potential sponsorship opportunities beyond Chinnor, Thame and Oxfordshire itself to encompass the wider Berks, and Bucks area also. The potential to bring many more thousands of people to the fold (not to mention potential players) could only help the club to kick on, with talk of a bigger ground in the future also. 

I admire Vickers' drive and vision, and it makes a great deal of sense to capitalise on a far larger area, especially as Chinnor are now the top rugby club in the Thames Valley, following the demise of London Irish a few years ago, with the next best placed team in the region being Rams who are currently a mid-table Nat 1 side at present.
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Agree with your views Sweet Chariot. The article is well written and very informative.
I have always been a fan of Simon Vickers and the way he seems to go about his business. Clearly, he is an astute operator and must be applauded for the steady and sustainable growth of the club. He, along with Nick Stainton and other committee members, have managed to align off field developments, with the excellent on field leadership of Nick Easter and his coaching group.
I understand the notion of wanting to grow the footprint of the club and would welcome more engagement with the residents of the Thames Valley. The new name that is being suggested could do with some polishing IMHO.
The club seems to be pretty forward thinking in its approach. An excellent model of good practice underlining what can be achieved with astute financial management.
Potentially other semi professional Champ clubs can take note and follow a similar model.
I also think that it’s only a matter of time before Nick Easter is snapped up by a Premiership Club. He has all the attributes of a strong leader who can influence multiple stakeholders!
Looking forward to the game tomorrow against Bedford Blues.
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Yes, I did read the article, thank you

I understand the logic and agree Simon is doing great things for the club, but I don't agree that a name change to Thames Valley Falcons will have them flocking from all over the region.

I don't believe there will be many people from, say Slough or Reading, who will decide they will come to Kingsey Road because the team is now called Thames Valley Falcons. 

Similarly, if a new franchise was parachuted into the Premiership, called themselves Thames Valley RFC and played in Reading, I wouldn't go and watch them !

I would say Chinnor are doing a good job at the moment in attracting support from the surrounding area, as the people I have spoken to this season have traveled from Banbury, Wycombe, Didcot, Marlow, Maidenhead, Abingdon, Aylesbury and Wallingford. No-one from Oxford though.......

People who have an interest in rugby know about Chinnor, those who don't have an interest don't, and in my view, a change of name isn't going to change that. Just my opinion.


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Originally posted by fatbear fatbear wrote:

Yes, I did read the article, thank you

I understand the logic and agree Simon is doing great things for the club, but I don't agree that a name change to Thames Valley Falcons will have them flocking from all over the region.

I don't believe there will be many people from, say Slough or Reading, who will decide they will come to Kingsey Road because the team is now called Thames Valley Falcons. 

Similarly, if a new franchise was parachuted into the Premiership, called themselves Thames Valley RFC and played in Reading, I wouldn't go and watch them !

I would say Chinnor are doing a good job at the moment in attracting support from the surrounding area, as the people I have spoken to this season have traveled from Banbury, Wycombe, Didcot, Marlow, Maidenhead, Abingdon, Aylesbury and Wallingford. No-one from Oxford though.......

People who have an interest in rugby know about Chinnor, those who don't have an interest don't, and in my view, a change of name isn't going to change that. Just my opinion.



One thing that I found striking in my visit to Kingsey Road was how young the crowd was. It was great to see so many folks in their teens and 20s were there.
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One thing that I found striking in my visit to Kingsey Road was how young the crowd was. It was great to see so many folks in their teens and 20s were there.
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I agree Chinnor are doing excellently in attracting the youngsters, both male and female !
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Originally posted by fatbear fatbear wrote:

Yes, I did read the article, thank you

I understand the logic and agree Simon is doing great things for the club, but I don't agree that a name change to Thames Valley Falcons will have them flocking from all over the region.

I don't believe there will be many people from, say Slough or Reading, who will decide they will come to Kingsey Road because the team is now called Thames Valley Falcons. 

Similarly, if a new franchise was parachuted into the Premiership, called themselves Thames Valley RFC and played in Reading, I wouldn't go and watch them !

I would say Chinnor are doing a good job at the moment in attracting support from the surrounding area, as the people I have spoken to this season have traveled from Banbury, Wycombe, Didcot, Marlow, Maidenhead, Abingdon, Aylesbury and Wallingford. No-one from Oxford though.......

People who have an interest in rugby know about Chinnor, those who don't have an interest don't, and in my view, a change of name isn't going to change that. Just my opinion.



But it isn't similar is it, as Chinnor haven't/wouldn't be 'parachuting in' anywhere with a new name? They would (for now) be remaining at Kingsey Road and would simply be changing their name to reflect a desire to broaden their reach and derive all the potential benefits that could come with that as has been highlighted in what is a very good article above; whilst all the time sustaining their existing core attendances of between 1,500 - 2,000+ in the process. 

It looks to me like a win-win opportunity that Vickers has identified. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, something that a lifelong businessman and astute rugby club comittee man would know. As you have highlighted yourself, people are coming from towns across Berks (M'head), Bucks and Oxon already, why wouldn't the club continue to find ways to exploit that growth for the better? 

To dismiss Vickers' vision of rebrand/name change out of hand is a stagnant and pessimistic outlook in my opinion. It seems that everything else the man has done has led to success in recent seasons, and credit to him for that. Why not give it a go.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote KnightsBoy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jan 2026 at 19:14
The rebranding didn't work for Leeds rebranded to Yorkshire, expecting rugby fans from the county to flock to headingley to support them instead of supporting the teams they have followed for years.  We know what happened there.
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Originally posted by KnightsBoy KnightsBoy wrote:

The rebranding didn't work for Leeds rebranded to Yorkshire, expecting rugby fans from the county to flock to headingley to support them instead of supporting the teams they have followed for years.  We know what happened there.


Surely a completely different scenarios though; there were other Yorkshire clubs already at or near the same level with a history behind them.

The western Home Counties can hardly make a similar claim.

When Penzance & Newlyn rebranded as the Cornish Pirates there was quite a backlash from existing clubs who objected to the Pirates claiming to represent the county, even though the Pirates were a couple of divisions higher than any other local club. Most of that resentment has dissipated; it’ll be interesting to watch next season,with Camborne likely to be in Nat1 .
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When Rams were rebranded in 2018, for various reasons they removed any geographical reference from their name. Most people would have worked out Redingensians were in or around Reading, but Rams doesn't give any clue as to their location. However, their rebranding seems to have worked out very well for them, average attendances have increased four-fold in 7 seasons .

Rebranding for Chinnor should be a good thing, after all they subtly changed their official name from Chinnor RFC to Chinnor RFC Thame not so long ago to increase awareness. Whilst the name Thames Valley Falcons may well bring in more sponsorship from further afield, I maintain the name change alone will do little to attract higher attendances. This is likely to come from continued good performances on the field, continuing to improve the spectator experience, continue to expand the marketing & social media presence, and perhaps a more imaginative rebranded name eg Raptors anyone ? There has to be a better alternative to Thames Valley Falcons !


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RugbyNut Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jan 2026 at 20:35
Great to see this topic causing some healthy debate. Really enjoying the added coverage of the Champ this season with some fascinating stories unfolding. 
Some of the ‘more established’ newspapers and podcasts are beginning to take note…..Will Crane the Hartpury hooker (now playing at Gloucester) and full time mortgage broker being another fine example of the romance of this league. More please 👏👏
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Rams might have something to say if Chinnor moved to Reading.
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Never been to Thames Valley doesn't have the same ring to it. I'm not going to rebrand but wish them well and hope it goes better than the West Ham London rebrand. 

PS When I read the title I immediately thought it was about the RAMS. 
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I've never really been a fan of name changes, but I understand it's the sort of thing that sponsors tend to push for to "improve the brand" and increase revenue. I think if they are serious about the change they need to come up with something better.

Why not put it to a member's vote?

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I would say Chinnor are doing a good job at the moment in attracting support from the surrounding area, as the people I have spoken to this season have traveled from Banbury, Wycombe, Didcot, Marlow, Maidenhead, Abingdon, Aylesbury and Wallingford. No-one from Oxford though.......

People who have an interest in rugby know about Chinnor, those who don't have an interest don't, and in my view, a change of name isn't going to change that. Just my opinion.


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I'm not sure if it was implied or not but those Ox/Bucks places mentioned all have clubs who most likely have history against Chinnor and know what the club is about.

Oxford, of course, has the Quins who are trying to follow Chinnor up the league.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote KnightsBoy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Jan 2026 at 09:37
Originally posted by fatbear fatbear wrote:

When Rams were rebranded in 2018, for various reasons they removed any geographical reference from their name. Most people would have worked out Redingensians were in or around Reading, but Rams doesn't give any clue as to their location. However, their rebranding seems to have worked out very well for them, average attendances have increased four-fold in 7 seasons .

Rebranding for Chinnor should be a good thing, after all they subtly changed their official name from Chinnor RFC to Chinnor RFC Thame not so long ago to increase awareness. Whilst the name Thames Valley Falcons may well bring in more sponsorship from further afield, I maintain the name change alone will do little to attract higher attendances. This is likely to come from continued good performances on the field, continuing to improve the spectator experience, continue to expand the marketing & social media presence, and perhaps a more imaginative rebranded name eg Raptors anyone ? There has to be a better alternative to Thames Valley Falcons !
TVR sure that's a brand name 😆😆
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