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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ParkBench Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Feb 2023 at 12:31
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

I was talking to a former teammate of James Sandford who had been up to Worcester to meet Sandford & O'Toole, and he was saying that there isn't a clear definition of 'rugby creditors'.  Apparently Wasps had signed up to pay a certain amount and were then informed by the RFU that there was another £8.5m to add to the bill because the definition had changed.  And it's this lack of clarity that is stopping Atlas from agreeing the terms that would see Worcester allowed back in the Champ.


Surely the definition of Rugby Creditors will be

Players and employee wages
Inland Revenue
VAT
kit suppliers
Contractual pitch debts

Unfortunately,

Caterers, transport providers and the like will have to whistle

RFU Regulation 5.1 sets out what it meant by a rugby creditor : 

“Rugby Creditor” means players, ex-players, coaches, medics, physiotherapists, strength and conditioning coaches and any other employee of a Club, referees, other rugby clubs or rugby bodies in England or elsewhere, the RFU and any RFU subsidiary or associated undertaking, any Constituent Body and any other person or entity whose income is wholly reliant on a Club and who directly supports the ability of that Club to play rugby.

That last line is likely to be the snag they are now foundering on / being surprised by. 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote WEvans Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Feb 2023 at 15:49
In a just and moral world there would be no difference between rugby and non-rugby creditors and all should be paid.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Moseley Mauler Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Feb 2023 at 18:20
Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

In a just and moral world there would be no difference between rugby and non-rugby creditors and all should be paid.

Yep, what about the poor butcher in Henley in Arden High Street who is owed money - I guess he supplied food at Wasps training ground.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tigerburnie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Feb 2023 at 18:40
I can see the day coming when no-one in the Championship will know what the hell is going on, which may have a cascade effect to the National leagues.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Feb 2023 at 18:53
You mean we are not there yet.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Moseley Mauler Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Mar 2023 at 13:26
Drove past Wasps training ground in Henley in Arden this morning. Quite a few cars in the car park for the first time in a number of weeks. And I spotted a handful of blokes with a few rugby balls.
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Probably hired for a corporate team building exercise.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Moseley Mauler Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Mar 2023 at 14:06
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Probably hired for a corporate team building exercise.
That did cross my mind......
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Mar 2023 at 14:59
Hmmm. BCFC training there yet? Goalposts erected, apparently.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Mar 2023 at 23:56
According to the Wasps board, their old Academy - now branded RFU Academy Midlands - still train there.

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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

According to the Wasps board, their old Academy - now branded RFU Academy Midlands - still train there.

That could well have been it
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Worcester Warriors: RFU say proposed merger cannot be a way of 'buying" a league place

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The Rugby Football Union has warned the owners of Worcester Warriors they will not endorse any proposed merger with another club if it is seen as a way of "buying a league position".

Atlas Group announced plans to merge with regional side Stourbridge in February, a week after taking over.

However, any such proposal is subject to RFU approval.

The sports governing body has confirmed it has "not received any proposals" over the idea.

In a Frequently Asked Questions document for the former Premiership club's ex-players, seen by BBC Hereford and Worcester, the RFU clarified its position on where Warriors currently stand as far as they are concerned in their attempt to re-launch the club.

"Worcester Warriors (men's team) are now exiting the league structure and will not be participating in the league," the document says.

It adds that any new club formed "could restart at the bottom of the pyramid in season 2023-24 but this would be right at the bottom".

Atlas, fronted by Warriors' former chief executive Jim O'Toole and former rugby player James Sandford, announced plans to re-brand the club as Sixways Rugby and effectively take over the first team of local side Stourbridge.

After a huge backlash from Warriors supporters, the club's original name was kept but the link-up with Stourbridge remained a key proposal, despite their relegation from the National League system into tier five of the pyramid.

"There have been various press reports about different possibilities, such as a merger or taking over the first XV of Stourbridge RFC," the RFU said.

"All of this would need RFU approval and we would need to consult with other relevant stakeholders (e.g. other local clubs).

"At the moment we have not received any proposals. We don't want to pre-empt any process, but the regulations are designed to prevent a club effectively 'buying' a league position."

Stourbridge held a Special General Meeting with its supporters almost two months ago where Atlas' "long-term investment" into the club's playing infrastructure were discussed, but no decision has been made public.

In a statement to BBC Hereford and Worcester, O'Toole said they are in "constant dialogue" with Stourbridge over finalising the agreement in time for the start of next season.

"We see no reason for a new Worcester Warriors to go to the bottom of the rugby pyramid", he added before reiterating the plan to get back to the Championship within five years.

O'Toole acknowledged that aim is yet to be rubber stamped by Stourbridge's members and needs RFU ratification.

In response to the governing body's view that the rugby creditors had "little or no chance" of being paid in the aftermath of Warriors' liquidation, O'Toole announced the intention to set up an independently-managed hardship fund to compensate those "who were most critically impacted by the insolvency of the previous business including local businesses".

O'Toole said they hope to bring rugby back to Sixways "as soon as possible" and that another statement relating to the completion will be announced "in due course".
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2023 at 22:53
In the other corner, absolutely no news from Wasps.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Apr 2023 at 05:56
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

In the other corner, absolutely no news from Wasps.
Actually, their groundsman raked the grass at Henley in Arden again.


Edited by Kimbo - 13 Apr 2023 at 05:57
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Apr 2023 at 06:04
Oh, and this:

"Well randomly it seems someone is paying a media company to do a documentary on Wasps and their attempts at resurrection. Seems an odd thing to put funds into but there must be a reason for it."
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tigerburnie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Apr 2023 at 08:01
I read yesterday that the new owners of Worcester have been told they cannot buy a place in the leagues, by the RFU, so taking over Stourbridge and rebranding them as Warriors will not happen, sad mess for all the fans, creditors and the community.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ste Vo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Apr 2023 at 09:28
Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

I read yesterday that the new owners of Worcester have been told they cannot buy a place in the leagues, by the RFU, so taking over Stourbridge and rebranding them as Warriors will not happen, sad mess for all the fans, creditors and the community.

That would, presumably, signal the very end for Worcester Warriors and bring us closer to Worcester Wasps playing at Sixways in the Championship? 

What next for Atlas, Stourbridge and the hierarchy that pushed this project so hard? 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Robb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Apr 2023 at 09:43
Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

I read yesterday that the new owners of Worcester have been told they cannot buy a place in the leagues, by the RFU, so taking over Stourbridge and rebranding them as Warriors will not happen, sad mess for all the fans, creditors and the community.

At least the RFU are consistent. They blocked a similar move when the backers behind London South Africa (whatever happened to them?) tried to buy Wimbledon back in 2004.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote All the Way Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Apr 2023 at 10:46
Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

Oh, and this:

"Well randomly it seems someone is paying a media company to do a documentary on Wasps and their attempts at resurrection. Seems an odd thing to put funds into but there must be a reason for it."


More money well-spent Wacko
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cheshire exile Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Apr 2023 at 10:46
Piece in the Guardian this morning suggests Wasps Mk2 are planning a new stadium and “conference/hotel/leisure facilities “ somewhere along the M40, allegedly to be up and running by 2028.
They aim to be back in the Premiership by 2025/6.
Not quite sure how this comes to pass.
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