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tigerburnie ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 10 Jun 2012 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 4053 |
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I've had years of practice lol
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Big Eddie ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Jun 2007 Status: Offline Points: 5120 |
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A very logical and balanced post Camquin.......but there is a however......the historical chicanery of the RFU is such that I cannot ascribe this logical argument to the RFU. I wish I could because in any situation where a credible institution acts in a way that seems to be somewhat perverse my first inclination is to make the assumption that there has to be a compelling and understandable reason behind their actions. I rail against my friends and relatives who have for ever harangued against the NHS, the Tories, Labour, NATO, the Democrats, HMRC and Birkenhead Park RFC. My normal stance is to quietly point out that in general institutions aren't malevolent or intentionally unjust they just struggle to deal with problems that seem easy to rectify when numbered in single digits but are infinitely more taxing when measured in the millions. Unfortunately in my eyes the RFU lost any credibility and legitimate moral authority many years ago when it decided to abandon the vast majority to support the very few.......some of whom have now been shown to be unscrupulous bounders. I don't know how the RFU will ever regain the trust and moral authority which once bound it to its member clubs. For the last 20 years or so the RFU has acquiesced to the Cartel whilst simultaneously burdening, disregarding, defunding and patronising the vast majority of rugby clubs in England. When Birkenhead Park RFC was recognised as one of the most distinguished 1st class rugby clubs in England, Caldy were probably playing at level 8 or thereabouts. As Caldy, fuelled by an enlightened and progressive Mini and Junior youth policy, started their march up the leagues they arrived at level 6 and for the first time met Birkenhead Park RFC in a league fixture at Paton Field. 'Park' were on a shallow but progressive descent from their historic heights but they were still very formidable opposition for Caldy and were very strong favourites for the fixture. Before the game I had mentally bracketed Birkenhead Park RFC as the aloof patricians coming to Paton Field to put upstarts Caldy in their place. It was them and us and for the week before the game I told anyone who would listen how Birkenhead Park RFC would surely treat Caldy with such patronising and unbearable contempt that I dreaded the aftermath.......in truth I couldn't see how a denuded Caldy (who had pre season lost a number of key players to Birkenhead Park RFC) could possibly win. It was a torrid, intense game with Caldy somehow withstanding immense pressure from the very formidable Park forwards including such rampaging behemoths as John McNally and Steve O' Keefe. Completely against the run of play Caldy's diminutive stand off Ian Cropper won the game for Caldy with a drop goal from the near the half way line. The rapturous celebrations at Paton Field lasted past midnight.....and there, remaining in the little wooden shack to the end of a long, long night were most of the Birkenhead Park players and officials.....they didn't slink away or sulk or complain about Caldy's outrageous victory (and they would have had real cause to do so!) , they applauded Caldy's endeavour and fortitude and showed me what true class, respect and dignity in rugby terms was all about. I have never forgotten it. I would love to see the RFU displaying the same class, dignity and respect to Community Rugby in England as Birkenhead Park RFC showed to Caldy all those years ago....... Edited by Big Eddie - 16 Feb 2023 at 06:57 |
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''The future isn't what it used to be''
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KnightsBoy ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Location: Doncaster Status: Offline Points: 3258 |
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Don't hold your breath Big Eddie
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Mark W-J ![]() Coaching staff ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 May 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3802 |
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I know you've got a massive problem with what we did, but it just meant we started at L9 instead of L10. Similarly Wasps would be staring at L8 instead of L9 if they followed the same path. You make it sound like we were taking over local L4 club just to grab their place in the league.
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Stoatgobbler ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 29 Jan 2010 Status: Offline Points: 482 |
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London Welsh, the professional club who played in the Premiership, were liquidatd and have never restarted.
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Bigbluepip ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Apr 2009 Location: Bedford Status: Offline Points: 729 |
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I’m just glad that ringfencing the Prem to allow clubs stability to recover from COVID is going so well for the RFU
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I want you all to line up in a circle and pair up in three's alphabetically by height.
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Robb ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 Jan 2017 Location: South East Status: Offline Points: 1711 |
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Yes, but everything they had ended up in the hands of London Welsh Amateur, who just so happened to take the name of London Welsh the next season.......
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gerg_861 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Jun 2017 Location: Ealing Status: Offline Points: 3034 |
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Leicester just announced that two of their chairmen have to inject £13m to avoid potential administration. Almost glad Ealing denied promotion.
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Raider999 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 18 Jan 2013 Location: Crawley Status: Offline Points: 4545 |
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If true that highlights the fact that Premiership clubs are living beyond their means as Leicester surely have the largest average crowd. Whilst I believe Rugby players earn every penny (especially compared to the round ball equivalents) - you cannot payoutmore than you bring in. |
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RAID ON
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WEvans ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 08 Dec 2016 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 1456 |
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I thought that is what just about every club in the Premiership has been doing for years.
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tigerburnie ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 10 Jun 2012 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 4053 |
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Leicester have had 4 home games so far this season and have just paid back the covid loan to the government, so needed a cash injection to pay wages, there was no sign of administration, potential or otherwise, close to a £million turnover for a home game at Welford Road.
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islander ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 17 Mar 2010 Location: jersey Status: Offline Points: 7954 |
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Mark W-J ![]() Coaching staff ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 May 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3802 |
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According to the article in the Telegraph:
Although it is understood that the threat of administration is still some way off, the shareholders' circular suggested, were this proposal not to be approved, that the club's "directors believe that they may have no choice but to appoint administrators" which could see Leicester "expelled from all competitions, including the Premiership". "The board believes that the subscription is essential to secure the company’s financial position and to enable the survival and future success of Leicester Tigers," read the circular. "If the resolutions are not passed then the proceeds of the subscription will not be received by the company and the board would have to find urgent alternative funding. There is no guarantee that such alternative funding will be available or on terms deemed to be acceptable either to the directors or to the company’s creditors. "Given the company’s current and anticipated working capital requirements, the directors believe that should the resolutions not be passed they may have no choice but to appoint administrators. This will not only negatively impact shareholders but the directors believe that Leicester Tigers could, as a consequence, be expelled from all competitions, including the Premiership, and so the subscription is vitally important to the future of the club." |
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FHLH ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Cambridge Joined: 19 Apr 2009 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 5660 |
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"Wasps will be able to share players with Worcester initially to help Warriors progress through the leagues."
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"My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts."
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corporalcarrot ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Sep 2013 Location: St Brelade Status: Offline Points: 4724 |
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Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD.
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FHLH ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Cambridge Joined: 19 Apr 2009 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 5660 |
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Always good to have a parody account. National 1 will be a stumbling block, so 5/6 years to get into Championship (assuming they can find a ground to play at)
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"My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts."
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Camquin ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 12086 |
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Wasps will be a championship club, potentially renting an expensive ground. How are they going to afford enough players to survive, let alone have any to loan out. Most championship clubs struggle to fund their own squad.
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Sweeney Delenda Est
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tigerburnie ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 10 Jun 2012 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 4053 |
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Laurence Bruno of Arabia(well that's about the only place they haven't thought of playing) will charge up on his steed and make sure the brand is ok.
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Toulouse ![]() British and Irish Lion ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 Oct 2014 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 151 |
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Whilst talking to our club chairman last week he told me about the RFU's proposals for the top 3 tiers starting season 2024-25. 10 Team Premiership, 10 team premiership 2 and National 1, 10 teams south, 10 teams north. This was proposed over a zoom type meeting and most clubs have stated they cannot support these changes. 9 Home games would mean a massive drop in revenue for most clubs. But seeing the RFU is a dictatorship, if they want these changes they will force them through!
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FHLH ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Cambridge Joined: 19 Apr 2009 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 5660 |
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.....Wasps to Worcester? https://amp.rugbypass.com/news/wasps-issue-statement-on-sixways-rumours/
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"My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts."
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