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Originally posted by Nat1 Nat1 wrote:


It sounds like Caldy weren't far off getting a bonus point or two. It's always impressive when 2nd team players step up against full time professionals. Was this due to injuries to first team players?

The record you highlight reminds me of Chinnor Wildboys (3rd XV) who went on a similarly long run of wins, incredible. They then moved up through the Counties Leagues to start facing 1 XVs, which brought them to the right level of opposition. 

Have Caldy 2nd XV considered that option (if available) to provide the next challenge? Perhaps even the Regional Leagues (L6, 5) although I'm not sure 2nd XVs are permitted in these?

Nat 1 just answering your questions
 
There were a couple of regular 1st xv players missing for personal reasons, and another two in Connor Wilkinson and Nathan Rushton were playing for the Barbarians. Obviously with four or five out from the regular 1st xv squad the impact trickled down to the 2nd xv. The lads who stepped up from the 2nd xv to face Doncaster all did themselves proud and similarly the young lads that stepped up from the 3rd xv into the 2ndxv for the cup match against Sedgley Park also really performed.

Caldy have dominated the North West Halbro Premier League for the last 5 or 6 years and there has been real consideration and attempts by the club for the squad to go into the RFU leagues but there has been opposition (principally from the Lancashire Clubs) and a requirement to limit their position to level 7 which would be of very little benefit.

The 2nd xvs from Chester, Sedgley Park, Fylde and Preston Grasshoppers tend to provide stiff opposition with some of the other sides like Blackburn and Rossendale pushing hard but often fading away in the later stages. The killer for the lads is the number of late cry offs by other clubs when it comes to 2nd xv league fixtures against Caldy with at least eight this season.

Most if not all of Caldy's 2nd xv would be starting 1st xv players in other local clubs playing at level 5 or level 6 where they would pick up a match fee (there is no match fee for Caldy 2nd xv players) and in the last few seasons I can think of at least a dozen or so Caldy players who have made that switch. 

However, most of the current Caldy 2nd xv squad have realistic aspirations to play Championship rugby and this season the Caldy 1st xv squad has used at least 50 players. There is only one senior squad of players who all train and are coached together with Tuesday and Thursday sessions comprising of 50 to 60 such players. 

Ambitious young players at Caldy know that if they work hard and show the right attitude and ability they will get their shot. Despite the pressures of Championship rugby Caldy is generally a meritocratic, transparent and enjoyable environment for aspiring young players. There is no greater pleasure than to see :

- a young player progress through the age groups at Caldy and eventually make his debut in the Championship as Dylan Carroll did on Saturday against Doncaster or 

- another young local player coming to Caldy, progressing through the 2nd xv to become a regular Championship level player as Matt Kilcourse, Will Robinson, Freddie Stevenson and numerous others have done so during the last couple of seasons or 

- a more mature local player arrive at Caldy and significantly improve his rugby through great coaching and an inclusive and enjoyable atmosphere







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Originally posted by The Blues The Blues wrote:

Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Originally posted by KnightsBoy KnightsBoy wrote:


It happens mate, you guys are in the championship on merit, money is massive in rugby, those who can spend big


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Every team in the Championship is there on merit. It took Ealing over a 150 years to get there. Initially they came into this league and went straight back down. We still do not have a ground that qualifies to go any further and as far as I can tell there is no plan and as some *@%$ stated on here "WHY"


It must feel like a lost decade for Ealing fans, as you have been top 2, 10 times in the last 10 years, of which you have now won it 3 times.

Personally being a long term fan I have had no feelings of being ' lost '. The last decade and the one before that I have followed Ealing all over the Country and really enjoyed the gradual climb from London 1. 
Bedford have been in the Champioship a lot longer and wonder how 'lost' you feel ?. I believe the Blues have been there since 94/ 95. 

I must admit I enjoyed National 1 rugby a lot more than the Champioship but Ealing had some long term battles with old established clubs.


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Pleased you don’t feel it is lost. I certainly would be frustrated as a fan, if it were Blues in Ealings situation, as well as with the RFU.

I remember when we had 14 in a league and there was both automatic promotion and playoffs, between the divisions which made it exciting and Blues lost out to the Premiership.

Blues have had 2 years in the Premiership but Ealing should have had more (but for the regulations). Also we are both in completely different situations, one club is bankrolled and has some facilities like the indoor training centre (like a premiership club) and could afford to build the stadium. The other is not.

Over 10 years and the overspend on players you would think a stadium could have been built in that timeframe.

Ealing are in a bit of a no man’s land operating in the Championship on a lower end Premiership club budget. It does give us all some satisfaction on the rare occasion when we are able to topple you.

Blues last decade has been one of trying to ensure that we operate at break even without the need of a wealthy backer to ensure we should be here the following season playing good attractive rugby. I would hope now we start to try and build up funds for further ground improvements, although a slow process.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 hours 54 minutes ago at 19:02
Originally posted by Cov kid 42 Cov kid 42 wrote:

No Complaints re Cov v Cornish Pirates result.
BUT, Cov missing at least 7 first teams including some significant figures up front, Nairau, Nkwocha, Kvesic, Hinkley & Nayalo on Army duty.
Surely seven first-choice forwards, John?
Those plus Johnson and T**s.
Possibly the worst forwards situation this term, but it's been pretty bad for the whole second half of the season - coinciding with the slip down the table.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote No 7 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 hours 53 minutes ago at 19:03
Good luck to Bedford.

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Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

Originally posted by cheshire exile cheshire exile wrote:

Pirates do the double again at Coventry; didn’t expect that to be honest...
I did.
Did you see how many forwards Cov were missing?

Not really my priority to be honest.
Every club has injuries. Jack Andrew, whose season in Nat 2 West finished last week, rumbled on for the Pirates yesterday. You had a scrum half with extensive Premiership experience. At this stage of the season everyone except Ealing is managing their resources nervously.
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Not particularly related, but rumours going round Bedford yesterday that about 75% of our squad have been poached for next season. Not sure how many of those are Worcester, but I’d think a few given I don’t think we have loads of Prem ready players and can’t see any other Champ side poaching our players other than Ealing. A real shame as we’ve built an excellent squad this season, probably the best since we had Karl Dickson and Billy Twelvetrees pulling the strings at half back, and I think if we’d have been able to retain everyone our results over the last few weeks show we might’ve been able to compete right at the top next year. As it is, sounds like it will be a rebuild season. Really thought we might be able to push on because I think the core of our team are now top end Championship players who imo aren’t quite ready (yet) for the step up so will be interesting to see where they all end up.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 9 hours 58 minutes ago at 07:58
Originally posted by cheshire exile cheshire exile wrote:

Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

Originally posted by cheshire exile cheshire exile wrote:

Pirates do the double again at Coventry; didn’t expect that to be honest...
I did.
Did you see how many forwards Cov were missing?

Not really my priority to be honest.
Every club has injuries. Jack Andrew, whose season in Nat 2 West finished last week, rumbled on for the Pirates yesterday. You had a scrum half with extensive Premiership experience. At this stage of the season everyone except Ealing is managing their resources nervously.
No, of course it's not.
However, the reason you (and several other sides) have done a number on Cov is that seven-eighths of their best pack is missing.
Forwards win matches... etc.
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Yes, but you knew that when you signed them.
Cambridge were missing Mat Dawson at the same game.
We were also missing the three Saint loan players who were never going to play in the Semi-final, so I assume only went for the party.

Mind you, even with all four available, and a fit fly half, we would still have been hammered by the best sides ever to have played at Grantchester Road.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote KnightsBoy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 8 hours 23 minutes ago at 09:33

Donny are having injury problems kimbo, around 8 presently, plus 3 players were on representative duty over the weekend with barbarians, army and navy.  Admittedly our injuries are split between backs and forwards.  Had 6 props in the match day 23 at Caldy 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote maire99 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 6 hours 50 minutes ago at 11:06
Nottingham having similar issues. 
Neither lock named in the squad for Chinnor is our player (both on loan from Leicester Tigers) as was our number 6, and the second/back row cover was a hooker and a centre! 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FHLH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 5 hours 58 minutes ago at 11:58
Do we need, should we have, loan players other than for a complete season? 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Big Eddie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 5 hours 41 minutes ago at 12:15
Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Do we need, should we have, loan players other than for a complete season? 
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I would very much agree with that
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote maire99 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 5 hours 27 minutes ago at 12:29
Hate to disappoint anyone but two of the loan players we fielded in our team are listed on our current squad on the website 
That would tell me they’re long term loans 
The other two were likely emergency loans as we have such bad injury problems 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 5 hours 23 minutes ago at 12:33
I believe that the Tier 2 board were looking to move to that model.


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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Yes, but you knew that when you signed them.
Cambridge were missing Mat Dawson at the same game.
We were also missing the three Saint loan players who were never going to play in the Semi-final, so I assume only went for the party.

Mind you, even with all four available, and a fit fly half, we would still have been hammered by the best sides ever to have played at Grantchester Road.
Knew what? All those forwards are Cov-contracted. Do you mean the club knew they were going to be long-term injured by Christmas, or that one of them would sh*te on the club and be put on 'gardening' leave for the duration.
The only one they knew with any certainty wouldn't always be available is Nayalo - who is regularly away on army duties.

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Originally posted by Big Eddie Big Eddie wrote:

Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Do we need, should we have, loan players other than for a complete season? 
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I would very much agree with that
So would I. One hundred percent.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 4 hours 51 minutes ago at 13:05
Originally posted by KnightsBoy KnightsBoy wrote:


Donny are having injury problems kimbo, around 8 presently, plus 3 players were on representative duty over the weekend with barbarians, army and navy.  Admittedly our injuries are split between backs and forwards.  Had 6 props in the match day 23 at Caldy 
Oh for six fit props Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 4 hours 46 minutes ago at 13:10
I may have misread your post, I thought you had multiple forwards on Army duty.
As for injuries and illness, everyone has to cope with those.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tigerburnie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 4 hours 45 minutes ago at 13:11
Leicester Lions had players signed on loan for the season who vanished and have been playing for , Championship sides, it happens, can't see a players development stopped because of  bit of paper. At the end of the day the academy players are actually signed to their parent club, not the Championship or National league sides.
One of the Lions is on loan in Japan.
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