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Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

This thing with Wrexham being bought by movie stars has started something as well, my son in law was told St Johnston FC think a Yank with Scottish ancestors is going to buy them, sad really.
As long as it's not Trump, eh?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tigerburnie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jun 2023 at 14:41
Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

This thing with Wrexham being bought by movie stars has started something as well, my son in law was told St Johnston FC think a Yank with Scottish ancestors is going to buy them, sad really.
As long as it's not Trump, eh?
He's not got any money, he just begs off his followers, his golf courses in Scotland are close to bankrupt.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jun 2023 at 14:54
Maybe in the boys game (I don't know it well enough other than a bit about LI's pathway.

But in girls there are simply not enough players yet that 35 can be taken by a "centre of excellence" and not leave unsustainable club numbers.

Hampshire has a large girls participation but none of Basingstoke, Winchester, Havant or Trojans (the clubs with u18 girl's) could field a 15 aside team last year due to Quins. 
Berkshire and Oxfordshire managed to scrape together 33 non Cofe players combined to play a Berks clubs vs Oxon clubs game.
Middx were no better
Bucks managed a combined chesham/Aylesbury team playing shorthanded and similar at Buckingham

The boys pathway is arguably bad, replicating it for girls within a much smaller cohort is disasterous 
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Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jun 2023 at 17:01
Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

This thing with Wrexham being bought by movie stars has started something as well, my son in law was told St Johnston FC think a Yank with Scottish ancestors is going to buy them, sad really.
As long as it's not Trump, eh?
He's not got any money, he just begs off his followers, his golf courses in Scotland are close to bankrupt.
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From the Tigers club site, bit of an insight into getting kids into the game more in the future.

Leicester Tigers are pleased to announce a new community tag rugby initiative in partnership with global insurance broking & risk management firm and Premiership Rugby title partner, Gallagher.

The programme will use tag rugby to:

  • Support primary education and grassroots rugby clubs
  • Enhance young people’s mental and physical well-being
  • Grow the game of rugby
  • Give children between the ages of 7 and 11 the opportunity to develop lifelong memories through rugby

Tigers staff will deliver the initiative to junior school year groups from September 2023, with local schools having the chance to participate in Gallagher Tag Festivals hosted at their local rugby clubs.

Any child who joins their local club will earn their school a place in a prize draw, with the selected sides getting the opportunity to play on the pitch at Mattioli Woods Welford Road on a Leicester Tigers match day.

“We’re delighted to work with Premiership Rugby title sponsor Gallagher to expand their support of rugby through this community initiative,” said Mark Davies, Chief Revenue Officer at Leicester Tigers. “Our tag programme is one of our longest-running initiatives and pivotal in turning children from playground enthusiasts into rugby fanatics. Virtually every current Tigers player’s journey started in a playground somewhere and with the continued support from everyone at Gallagher we are looking forward to unearthing the next generation of Tigers starlets."

Dan Hemingway, Community Manager said “With the support of Gallagher we can continue to ensure that the game of rugby is being played in as many junior schools as possible throughout our regions. We know that the route to becoming a rugby fan, more often than not starts with getting a rugby ball in your hands. The game of rugby has so much to offer, and we want to support local schools in developing rugby as a corer part of their physical education programme.”

Chris Noah, Managing Director of Gallagher’s Leicester office, added: “We are thrilled to be involved with this community campaign that will see many local children have the opportunity to get involved with rugby, possibly for the first time. Team sports like rugby are really important in building confidence along with fitness and camaraderie so making the game accessible to children at a young age is really positive for the local community.”

If your school would like to be involved please contact Leicester Tigers Community Rugby Coach Oliver Devonport – oli.devonport@tigers.co.uk

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FHLH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Aug 2023 at 15:29
Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

Leicester Tigers are pleased to announce a new community tag rugby initiative in partnership with global insurance broking & risk management firm and Premiership Rugby title partner, Gallagher.


Thought it was the Marlboro Lite company for a minute



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tigerburnie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Aug 2023 at 20:16
Not just Tigers, the Lions are getting in on the act too(I'm sure lots of rugby clubs are doing their bit in their own areas too)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Breakdown Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Aug 2023 at 17:33
I'm sure this subject has been discussed many times before in Clubhouse Chat, but to what extent are clubs paying players in the lower tiers of the game? If the game in England is ever going to restore any sense of fairness in funding, it seems to me important to get an idea of what kind of financial scrapes clubs are getting into at levels that well before there is any chance of them competing for the top 2 tiers.

I ask now because I have just heard a Champ bigwig saying he did not think clubs were allowed to pay players below Nat 1, but within an hour I saw an email suggesting that there is a club at Tier 4 which is financial difficulty with a players' bill of £22,000 a month. I think the Champ chair is wrong, but I'd be very interested in anonymised info about clubs at Tiers below the Champ and Nat 1 and what sort of wage bills are being paid now - quite a lot less than pre-pandemic, I assume?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Aug 2023 at 20:04
There is a very low limit, above which you lose the pitiful RFU funding.

But there is no ban on paying player.
However, most clubs are operating on paper thin budgets.

I do not know how much my club plays, other posters know exactly how much every other club pays.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Aug 2023 at 21:51
The RFU has stated levels of payment to players at Levels 2-5. They are open on the RFU website. If you pay more than that level then you lose RFU funding, not much unless you do a lot with your CB, as my Club does.

Clubs at Level 6 and below are not supposed to pay.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rabbie Burns Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Aug 2023 at 22:27
I do know what my club pays and it’s a lot less than I read everywhere but I also know what every other club plays coz I read it on social media and coz someone writes it it must be true£££
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Originally posted by Breakdown Breakdown wrote:

I'm sure this subject has been discussed many times before in Clubhouse Chat, but to what extent are clubs paying players in the lower tiers of the game? If the game in England is ever going to restore any sense of fairness in funding, it seems to me important to get an idea of what kind of financial scrapes clubs are getting into at levels that well before there is any chance of them competing for the top 2 tiers.

I ask now because I have just heard a Champ bigwig saying he did not think clubs were allowed to pay players below Nat 1, but within an hour I saw an email suggesting that there is a club at Tier 4 which is financial difficulty with a players' bill of £22,000 a month. I think the Champ chair is wrong, but I'd be very interested in anonymised info about clubs at Tiers below the Champ and Nat 1 and what sort of wage bills are being paid now - quite a lot less than pre-pandemic, I assume?

I suggest you go to Havant where you will be able to find out answers to all your questions. 

Sadly though all wrong answers.
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After many decades supporting England, I'm now truly embarrassed to being an England supporter. 
The Premiership clubs suck millions from the game whilst employing foreign journeymen in key positions. Those with potential are snuffed out by foreign players who whilst having greater skills, are stifling the development of England qualified players. 
Time and time again authors on this board have written of their frustration at the RFUs management of the English game. Columnists from The Rugby Paper to broadsheets have expressed their concern - but nothing will happen because of the power ceded to the professional players. Their selfishness is the root cause of the weakness of the current squad. 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tigerburnie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Aug 2023 at 13:49
A double edged sword though, our younger players are being coached and mentored by these " foreign journeymen"
One of the reasons some clubs took on more overseas players was so they could field a half decent side when England take all their best ones out and we are left with half a first team to entertain paying fans and try and win games.
Hopefully this won't be a problem going forwards and we will see an end to International matches clashing with league games, something soccer irradicated decades ago.
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Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

A double edged sword though, our younger players are being coached and mentored by these " foreign journeymen"
One of the reasons some clubs took on more overseas players was so they could field a half decent side when England take all their best ones out and we are left with half a first team to entertain paying fans and try and win games.
Hopefully this won't be a problem going forwards and we will see an end to International matches clashing with league games, something soccer irradicated decades ago.

A little bit ironical when you say England takes their “best” players out. In light of Englands present form that could be an advantage and let some younger players show what they can do. 
Mind you will that ever happen for them in England set up
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To be fair to the premiership clubs, and that is not something I say very often, the U20 Six Nations has often been scheduled on the same weeks as the full six nations. Which means that at the point the clubs need cover, their talented youngsters were not available.

Now, there are two solutions, the first, is simply to move the U20 tournament away from the main one. The second, is not to have Premiership matches clashing with the 6 nations, and if you do both, the U20 players can play in the mickey-mouse cup (but only if the RFU can get Disney to sponsor it).
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Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

A double edged sword though, our younger players are being coached and mentored by these " foreign journeymen"

Perhaps we'll see some of the mentored players in the Premiership Cup. It's probably the only game time they'll get.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tigerburnie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Aug 2023 at 16:12
Tigers currently have ten players in the world cup alongside both first choice 9 and 10 injured, so the youngsters will be getting some game time. Even when England come home(which I think we all know might be quite early) the players still have to have rest periods, so we might get our first team back around Christmas time.
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