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Halliford ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Feb 2010 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4309 |
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London Irish tonight field Ross Neal, Ben Donnell, Jack Cooke, Isaac Curtis-Harris, Ben Atkins and Izzy Moore-Aiono, all of whom have had time in recent seasons with Esher while Harlequins field Cadan Murley, James Lang, Will Collier, Archie White and Ross Chisholm, all of whom had time with Esher. The D/R system works well in London!
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marigold ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Apr 2019 Location: Eltham Status: Offline Points: 430 |
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But would you say it has worked well for Esher? Is one of the club's primary aims to develop Premiership Academy players?
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islander ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 17 Mar 2010 Location: jersey Status: Offline Points: 7873 |
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Edits in bold
The 3 DRs listed all spent at least half a season here, up to a season in some cases. I have probably missed some out and/or failed to recall players at Bath, Leicester (apart from Charlie Clare who was here for half a season in 2012/13 but spent far longer at Bedford before going to Saints & eventually back to Tigers), Saints Edited by islander - 12 Sep 2020 at 09:08 |
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corporalcarrot ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Sep 2013 Location: St Brelade Status: Offline Points: 4724 |
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Not Premiership but a couple of Scrum halves with Scarlets & a couple of forwards with Edinburgh - Falcons players may eventually be added when the new season starts. Charlie Clare (via Blues) was playing in the televised game last night.
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Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD.
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Les E ![]() British and Irish Lion ![]() ![]() Joined: 18 Mar 2013 Location: Jersey Status: Offline Points: 152 |
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Harry Williams: Exeter & England
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"Rugby is not just a sport, It’s a way of life"
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maire23 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Apr 2019 Location: Nottingham Status: Offline Points: 349 |
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Harry Williams also played for Nottingham.
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billesleyexile ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Jun 2013 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 1855 |
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I do think that there's got to be a qualitative difference in terms of "contribution" between:
- 'came through our M&J then spent a couple of years in the firsts' - 'came through our M&J then left to go to a prem academy' - 'played a few games for us on D/R' - 'turned up on the scene fully formed, played for us and left for the Prem' - etc Sometimes when I sit and look at Moseley's list I wonder which ones we can actually claim and whether we're trying to tell ourselves stories with some of them because it sounds good With someone like Lewis Bean - who went from us in N1 to Saints and is now getting at least regular bench starts (as indeed he did this week), then he'd apparently never played rugby before someone put a ball in his hand in the army, then he came to us for a couple of seasons, then off to Saints. So I suppose we split the honours with the army in terms of his (rapid) development? But then again, given how rapid it was, maybe he was just a natural? And then Worcester would chip in and say 'while he was at Moseley he was training with us sometimes and played the odd A League match, so where's our credit?' For a lot of players there has been genuine development, and hard work, but I always wonder how much ice there is below the surface in these lists of contributions, where it amounts to 'he wore our shirt'? |
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keep the faith
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islander ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 17 Mar 2010 Location: jersey Status: Offline Points: 7873 |
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I'd add another category to your's above - player who came to club (Jersey in this case) having been on the books of a top-flight club but not really making an impression there, developing their game in the Championship and then earning a second crack at the higher level. From Jersey alumni you could include the 2 scrum-halves mentioned by the Corporal - Hardy 'n' Homer at Scarlets in this category, as well as Rogerson (Irish), Herron (Quins), Woolmore (Bristol) and Clare (Leicester). Not claiming all the credit for the last 2 - Woolmore played for Taunton & Clare was with Blues far longer than he was here (5ish months IIRC, debut was Leinster [a] on his 21st birthday)
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cheshire exile ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 05 Feb 2009 Status: Offline Points: 2607 |
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You could add to that Dave Ward, didn’t quite make it as flanker at Wasps and Saints, came to Pirates as a hooker, went onto be q huge success and Quins and England Saxons. Quins were I believe tipped off by centre Matt Hooper who came to us from Plymouth Albion and left us for the Stoop.
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Peter_B ![]() First XV regular ![]() Joined: 20 Sep 2014 Location: Bristol Status: Offline Points: 111 |
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Sheedy played for Bristol in the Championship. As did Uren and Eadie.
Mind you Saracens have Mako as an academy graduate when he was in Bristol’s academy and had played forty games for Bris before they signed him.
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Pappashanga ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Sep 2014 Location: Surrey Status: Offline Points: 2167 |
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Sheedy used to play regularly for Cinderford as a DR some years ago. Noticeably talented but a terrible goal kicker, which has now improved.
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Peter_B ![]() First XV regular ![]() Joined: 20 Sep 2014 Location: Bristol Status: Offline Points: 111 |
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Alec Clarey has appeared as a Saracens player. He was also part of Bristol’s academy. Not sure if he played for Bris in Championship but has for Jersey.
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front5 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 May 2017 Location: County Durham Status: Offline Points: 418 |
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I dont believe core player progession is gained at the championship level.... there are senior players who make the step up from the championship however i believe more Premiership teams send their youngsters to National 1 and 2 to blood in so to speak.... looking purely at DMP in very recent times you have -
Josh Hodge Morgan Passman Adam Brocklebank Will Montgomery Contact Cade Rob Farrar Tom Marshall Cameron Nordli-Kelementi Jack Payne It would be better name the players who have broken the mould and create/forged themselves an opportunity at a later stage in their careers.... so again looking at DMP - Adam Radwan released from Falcons at 16 joined DMP set the league alight and will probably pull on an England shirt in the next 2 year Matt Shields- Prop moving to Quins in late 20s Matt Heaton - Canadas player of the year and played everyminute of the world Cup playing for a USA franchise (mega money i would giess) in late 20s Simon Uzokwe - a medical student as sunderland uni signing a pro contract at early 20s Frano Lamanna - Uruguay world Cup player playing in pro 14 Luca Petillo - one if the hardest men I've ever met again playing pro 14 Santiago Socino - from DMP to Jaguars and 2nd choice hooker for Argentina These are the types of players we should be commenting on not DR'S and they were selected and placed in the said club to develop for the Premiership team.... If we really turned back the clock in the mid 2000s Toby Flood was offered to DMP as the answer to Kevin Oliphants injury and was places on the wing as he didn't make the cut at the time??? That was Nat 3 north Edited by front5 - 14 Sep 2020 at 19:45 |
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corporalcarrot ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Sep 2013 Location: St Brelade Status: Offline Points: 4724 |
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Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD.
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Westcoaster ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 20 Aug 2011 Location: Jersey Status: Offline Points: 1332 |
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Pierce Philips was another Jersey Red who made the Prem
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Come on Jersey........
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gerg_861 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Jun 2017 Location: Ealing Status: Offline Points: 2956 |
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Happened to pick up a copy of Rugby World today and there was an interview with Eddie Jones in there. He was asked "Who are the best young players in the Premiership?" and he reeled off half a dozen names, then he said "...What's also noticeable is the number of players coming through from the Championship and doing well. It's really showing how many good players went there and took their opportunity."
Whatever else is stacked against the Championship at the moment (and there's plenty), it is clear that Eddie Jones is a major supporter, not just from this quote, but from things like going to Ealing to train the team.
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PlangentThrowback ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 07 Feb 2012 Status: Offline Points: 1265 |
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Woolmore illustrates the point above about experience gained further down the pyramid than the Championship. He was at Taunton for several seasons, plus a brief Exeter connection. All before Jersey. And now more game for Bris (does the 's' really sound like 'z'?). Who developed him? All of them. I suspect the man himself may have but a bit of effort in too.
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corporalcarrot ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Sep 2013 Location: St Brelade Status: Offline Points: 4724 |
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Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD.
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Bartman ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Bristol Joined: 18 May 2009 Location: St Annes Park Status: Offline Points: 1300 |
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There's no offence taken with the use of the "z" in theze here parts my good friend and you are always more than welcome to come over to visit us in Briztol any time.
Maybe not if your team spoil our unbeaten run again though, but so happy for you that you went away with your wish the last time.
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islander ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 17 Mar 2010 Location: jersey Status: Offline Points: 7873 |
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Good to hear Bartman - cheerz to you too ![]() if zomeone wants to get all upzet about a jokey zwitch of conzonant they pozzibly need to go to the nearezt pub & order a large glazz of perzpective...
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