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It depends on when they fold.
The National and lower Leagues are locked in place earlier than the top two. Without looking it up, I think the deadline is in August.

So, when Jersey withdrew, it was September, and too late to rearrange leagues - so the Championship went ahead with 11.

But, had they been a Premiership side going bust, even in September, theoretically a Championship side should have been promoted. But as they need to have passed a ground audit, they would not be.



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Originally posted by Se7en Se7en wrote:

Originally posted by JZSmith JZSmith wrote:

Anyone who signs a contract with Worcester Defaulters can't complain if future wages aren't paid. It's part of their "proud tradition".

Where does it say that it is part of their "proud tradition"?

I believe when you were trolling everybody a while back I said it wasn't worth engaging with you and my view hasn't changed.


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Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by Se7en Se7en wrote:

Originally posted by JZSmith JZSmith wrote:

Anyone who signs a contract with Worcester Defaulters can't complain if future wages aren't paid. It's part of their "proud tradition".

Where does it say that it is part of their "proud tradition"?

Since when does a new club have a proud tradition anyway? Wink

Since the "new" club used its proud tradition as a part of buying its way into the Championship!

(But I realise it was a rhetorical question Big smile )
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One thing that is really bugging me at the moment is the number of Worcester fans insisting that the reason they've been readmitted to the Champ is because they have paid off their creditors, whereas other clubs - most notably Richmond,  Scottish and Welsh - started at the bottom because they all refused to take responsibility and simply defaulted on their debts. Apparently - according to the Worcester fans - this rule has always been in place, although none of them seem to be able to explain a) how long you have to pay your debts and then get readmitted (24 months in their case) and b) the mechanism for parachuting a team into the league structure without the knock-on effect of forcibly relegating an extra club at each level of the pyramid to make way for them.

As far as I'm aware - and I could be wrong - no team has ever dropped out of the league system and been allowed to rejoin higher than County league level. It doesn't just apply to the clubs suffering financial difficulties - a few years ago Haywards Heath dropped out of our league on safety grounds just before the season started having had all of their front row players poached by a local rival, but they still got dropped to the Sussex leagues.

Am I going mad? Is anyone else aware of this loophole? As far as I'm aware - and again, I could be wrong - Worcester are only back in the Champ because they were invited (as were every club outside the top two tiers) to apply for membership of the new league. But they couldn't have simply waltzed back in uninvited after two years away by virtue of paying off their debts, as many of their fans are adamant is the case, could they?


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I’m also not sure they have actually paid all the debts off yet, but have made a commitment to paying off all their remaining debts over a phased period. That was how it was reported in various news outlets. Not sure what happens if they default on those payments… 

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 Worcester are paying rugby creditors as defined by the RFU , and I am sure that those recieving the payments will be  if not happy , then less sad.
The world has changed, an invitation was made for clubs to enter the new structure and Wuss were accepted after some very strict investigation. In the  last round the total gates for all Championship games was just over 8K. If you look at Sixways Stadium and its potential why would rugby not want a further 4 or  5K added to that number?  Or indeed the employment opportunities for players ,coaches and backroom staff , plus hostpitality and administration. With this infrastructure is there a Championship side that is equal to it ?
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Originally posted by ROLLO ROLLO wrote:

....... With this infrastructure is there a Championship side that is equal to it? 

Not sure of the relevance of this 
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Originally posted by ROLLO ROLLO wrote:

 Worcester are paying rugby creditors as defined by the RFU , and I am sure that those recieving the payments will be  if not happy , then less sad.
The world has changed, an invitation was made for clubs to enter the new structure and Wuss were accepted after some very strict investigation. In the  last round the total gates for all Championship games was just over 8K. If you look at Sixways Stadium and its potential why would rugby not want a further 4 or  5K added to that number?  Or indeed the employment opportunities for players ,coaches and backroom staff , plus hostpitality and administration. With this infrastructure is there a Championship side that is equal to it ?


You completely miss the point. I know I’m an old Cornish fossil but from where I sit, a “club” has been created which promises to pay off some debts over an unclear period; pontificating that the rest of us should be grateful for your munificence is frankly insulting.
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Originally posted by ROLLO ROLLO wrote:

In the  last round the total gates for all Championship games was just over 8K. If you look at Sixways Stadium and its potential why would rugby not want a further 4 or  5K added to that number?  Or indeed the employment opportunities for players ,coaches and backroom staff , plus hostpitality and administration. With this infrastructure is there a Championship side that is equal to it ?
8k is not great is it?
However, had Bedford and Cov been at home the numbers would be quite a bit higher, with the two clubs getting a total of between six and ten thousand (depending on the opposition) between them.
And I can assure you that Cov would be pulling in close to 5k a week or more in the unlikely event that they were smashing the league.
All totally irrelevant to the whole argument though, like the 8k figure accrued by clubs who are disgracefully unsupported or promoted by their own feeble governing body.
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4,000 fans at home does not help anyone other than Worcester.

However, if they bring 500 to every away game - then they would be very welcome.

Bring 1,000 and treasurers would be ecstatic.

Obviously Bedford could struggle to squeeze in that many given they would sell out the ground to hardcore Blues fans - that is a different problem. Pirates might have a similar problem - but most other clubs have spare capacity.

The problem is getting the message out that there is high quality sport to watch - when all the coverage is eaten by Soccer and the Premiership Clubs.




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When Wuss were in the Championship they never brought anywhere near 500 to Penzance. 
Bristol were the only relegated side to bring significant support.
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I am always impressed with the travelling support Cornish sides - the Pirates and before that Redruth when we played them - bring with them.

Should we ever play Redruth again - I would point out that the new changing rooms have locks.
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I feel sorry for Worcester fans.  The world knows a stitch up when it sees one and the earth has been moved to allow them to be fast tracked back to this level.  The rhetoric from the very beginning has been about when they get back not how.  I think what sticks in the craw is the time between going bust and now. Other teams to continue have had to put a team out the next season to carry on and had to start lower.  This is setting a precedent, that you can go bust, bide your time and let others fail to leave you a space.   Previous situations have been ignored, other clubs falling by the wayside forgotten but lets not kid ourselves this is an inside job.  And every Worcester fan justification written I'm sure in good faith and excitement has been and will always be shot down in flames (likened to the Wimbledon/Milton Keynes Don's). There's so many inconsistencies around repayments.... have they, will they.... how much, I hope the players and staff going there will be OK but they are here to stay, I would think for one season only

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I think it’s worth trying to simplify this for anyone who hasn’t been following the saga.

As far as I’m aware, no Worcester supporter has ever claimed that we’re paying off all creditors. We have agreed, as demanded by RFU, to pay off “rugby creditors” a concept created by the RFU which has absolutely no meaning in law whatsoever. The new owners have agreed to fund this, if you want to play in an RFU league you have to follow RFU rules. 

The payments to RC’s are scheduled with the RFU’s agreement, and I don’t expect that schedule to be made public. The list of ALL creditors was published by Administrators as required by law, and one can read this and have a decent guess about those within it who might be RC’s. Remember these creditors were left unpaid by the previous long departed useless owners. The new owners could easily have decided not to pay them, and then we would have started from the bottom. 

As often when businesses go bust, unsecured creditors will get nothing. 

As a lifelong rugby supporter I understand exactly why some are outraged that Wuss are not starting from the bottom, and quote other failed clubs to support that outrage. But the simple fact is that no previous collapsed club has ever paid anyone anything, including Cov, so the situation is unique, and comes about only because the RFU invented Rugby Creditors, and because Wuss infrastructure attracted new money from new owners who are willing and able to comply with the RFU’s scheme.

Don’t take it out on the supporters please. A lot of us are local, know unsecured creditors, and believe me we’re not crowing about how it has all worked out.
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That’s entirely balanced and reasonable. What is disappointing is one or two other “supporters “ suggesting we should all be grateful because you’re back, given that we’re small town hicks without your facilities and alleged serried ranks of fans coming to boost our local economies.
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