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This is very unfair on Farrell junior. He brings so much to the party. There's his superb tacking technique perfected by so many visits to tackle school. Then there's his total integrity highlighted by all those The League once known as the Premiership iership titles won without a shadow of scandal. What a marvellous ambassador he will be for the Lions! 
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Originally posted by JZSmith JZSmith wrote:

This is very unfair on Farrell junior. He brings so much to the party. There's his superb tacking technique perfected by so many visits to tackle school. Then there's his total integrity highlighted by all those The League once known as the The League once known as the Premiership iership iership titles won without a shadow of scandal. What a marvellous ambassador he will be for the Lions! 

Total Integrity!!! Was Farrell junior not the Saracens captain during the salary cap scandal which let to £5 million + fine and effective relegation to the Championship?  
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I suspect that was an attempt at irony.
Though how Farrell can be blamed for the salary cap breaches is beyond me.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Paul10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jul 2025 at 15:19
I suspect he's been brought in because there aren't many backs who have done Lions tours before.

M Smith, Russell, Aki, DVDM I think are the only ones.
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Originally posted by Paul10 Paul10 wrote:

I suspect he's been brought in because there aren't many backs who have done Lions tours before.

M Smith, Russell, Aki, DVDM I think are the only ones.

Exactly. And of course the last tour wasn’t played in front of spectators; Aki has already talked about the massively higher scrutiny of this tour.
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Suaalii returns as Wallabies name side for Fiji

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Australia: Wright; Potter, Suaalii, Ikitau, Jorgensen; Lolesio, McDermott; Slipper, Porecki, Alaalatoa, Frost, Williams, Gleeson, McReight, Wilson (capt).

Replacements: Pollard, Bell, Nonggorr, Hooper, Tizzano, White, Donaldson, Daugunu.

Fiji: Rayasi; Ravouvou, Masi, Tuisova, Wainiqolo; Muntz, Kuruvoli; Mawi, Ikanivere (capt), Ravai, Nasilasila, Mayanavanua, Tagitagivalu, Canakaivata, Mata.

Replacements: Matavesi, Hetet, Doge, Vocevoce, Tuisue, Baselala, Ravula, Maqala.
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Originally posted by cheshire exile cheshire exile wrote:

I suspect that was an attempt at irony.
Though how Farrell can be blamed for the salary cap breaches is beyond me.

Indeed I thought the "titles won without a shadow of scandal" rather gave it away but there you go.

And of course I didn't blame him for the salary cap breaches (he just defended them) but there you go again.

A man of true integrity. (That was irony by the way!)
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British and Irish Lions: Kinghorn, Freeman, Ringrose, Aki, Lowe, Russell, Gibson-Park; Genge, Sheehan, Furlong, Itoje, McCarthy, Chessum, Curry, Conan

Replacements: Kelleher, Porter, Stuart, Van der Flier, Pollock, Mitchell, M Smith, Hansen
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British and Irish Lions: Kinghorn, Freeman, Ringrose, Aki, Lowe, Russell, Gibson-Park; Genge, Sheehan, Furlong, Itoje, McCarthy, Chessum, Curry, Conan

Replacements: Kelleher, Porter, Stuart, Van der Flier, Pollock, Mitchell, M Smith, Hansen


I would say this is very close to being the preferred side for the 1st test
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Wallabies first-choice fly-half Lolesio ruled out of Lions series

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Australia's preparations to face the British and Irish Lions have suffered a major setback after first-choice fly-half Noah Lolesio was ruled out of the series.

The 25-year-old was carried off the pitch in the Wallabies' 21-18 win over Fiji on Sunday with an apparent whiplash injury.

He was initially discharged from hospital later that day, raising hopes he would be fit to face the tourists. However, after further check-ups, he had surgery on Tuesday afternoon.

Rugby Australia said Lolesio "will spend a period of time away from the game during his rehabilitation". That absence will span the entirety of the series against the Lions.

Lolesio was left out of Australia's Rugby World Cup squad in 2023 but has since become the Wallabies' go-to fly-half under head coach Joe Schmidt.

He started five of the Wallabies' six Rugby Championship games last year and all four of their autumn internationals in the northern hemisphere.

Ben Donaldson seems most likely to take on the 10 role, with Tom Lynagh - the England-raised 22-year-old son of Wallabies great Michael Lynagh - also in the squad named for the Fiji fixture.

Schmidt could call on the experience of Bernard Foley and James O'Connor to bolster his options.

The first Test against the Lions takes place in Brisbane on 19 July, with the second and third Tests being staged on the following weekends in Melbourne and Sydney.

The Fiji fixture was Australia's only warm-up match for the series.
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Originally posted by Steve@Mose Steve@Mose wrote:


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British and Irish Lions: Kinghorn, Freeman, Ringrose, Aki, Lowe, Russell, Gibson-Park; Genge, Sheehan, Furlong, Itoje, McCarthy, Chessum, Curry, Conan

Replacements: Kelleher, Porter, Stuart, Van der Flier, Pollock, Mitchell, M Smith, Hansen

 

I would say this is very close to being the preferred side for the 1st test

Apart from the absence of Jac Morgan who, in my opinion, has earned a place in the Test Match 23.

Curry works hard and will tackle repeatedly without fail, but on a few occasions (against Argentina and Western Force) two "dominant" tackle attempts were ineffectual, and in the Argentina match this contributed to the Pumas' third try. Brumbies might be Curry's last opportunity to earn a place in the First Test.

VdF appears to blow hot and cold, and like Pollock will need to put in big performance off the bench.

Fingers crossed that no-one gets broken against the Brumbies, and there are no disciplinary issues on the pitch.
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Farrell on bench for final Lions game before Tests

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British and Irish Lions: Keenan; Hansen, Jones, Tuipulotu, Van der Merwe; F Smith, White; Schoeman, Cowan-Dickie, Stuart, Ryan, Beirne (c), Pollock, Morgan, Earl

Replacements; Kelleher, Porter, Bealham, Cummings, Van der Flier, Mitchell, M Smith, Farrell

AUNZ Invitational: Stevenson; Lam, Laumape, Havili (cc), Koroibete; Edmed, Fakatava; Ross, Paenga-Amosa, Toomaga-Allen, Blyth, Salakaia-Loto, Frizell, Samu, Sotutu.

Replacements: Eklund, Fusitu'a, Dyer, Philip, Brial, Thomas, McLaughlin-Phillips, Campbell
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Lions call up Osborne as cover for Kinghorn

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Ireland's Jamie Osborne will join the British and Irish Lions squad as back-up to Blair Kinghorn despite the Scotland full-back receiving "positive news" from a scan on a knee injury.

Kinghorn sustained the injury in Wednesday's win over the ACT Brumbies, stretching the tourists' resources at full-back with Hugo Keenan's game time having been restricted by illness and injury.

Osborne, who is described as "training cover" for Kinghorn, will arrive at the Lions camp on Saturday from Portugal, where he has been training with Ireland.

Kinghorn is recently back from a separate knee injury sustained on club duty for Toulouse.

The Lions said the medical team will "manage his return to training over the coming days".

The Lions play their final pre-series tour game against an Australia/New Zealand invitational side on Saturday, before taking on the Wallabies in the first Test on 19 July.

Toulouse's progress to the Top 14 final delayed Kinghorn's arrival on tour, and he lasted only 24 minutes on his Lions debut against the Brumbies before being replaced.

England's Marcus Smith, whose ability to cover both fly-half and full-back was key to his selection in the squad, has played the most minutes at 15, with Tommy Freeman, Mack Hansen and Huw Jones also able to fill in if the Lions find themselves short.

Lions head coach Andy Farrell gave Osborne the first of his eight Test caps at full-back against South Africa last summer, but the 23-year-old is more used to playing in midfield.

Scotland's Tom Jordan and Wales' Blair Murray might also have entered Farrell's thinking as options to cover for Kinghorn.
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Wallabies squad to face British and Irish Lions

Forwards (20): Allan Alaalatoa, Angus Bell, Josh Canham, Nick Champion de Crespigny, Matt Faessler, Nick Frost, Langi Gleeson, Tom Hooper, Fraser McReight, Zane Nonggorr, Billy Pollard, David Porecki, Tom Robertson, Will Skelton, James Slipper, Carlo Tizzano, Taniela Tupou, Rob Valetini, Jeremy Williams, Harry Wilson

Backs (16): Filipo Daugunu, Ben Donaldson, Jake Gordon, Len Ikitau, Max Jorgensen, Andrew Kellaway, Tom Lynagh, James O'Connor, Hunter Paisami, Dylan Pietsch, Harry Potter, Joseph-Aukuso Suaalii, Corey Toole, Nic White, Tom Wright


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For those that are interested in the Lions and following the tour, they are recording a weekly video diary behind the scenes which can be viewed on their YouTube channel. 

There are 4 episodes so far which are an enjoyable watch.

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More turmoil - injuries and call-ups - making any attempts at predicting who might make the squads for the second and third tests a bit daft.


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I predict Clarkson and the 3 Scots called up since won't be in the test squads.

This is just for the stupid Tuesday game next week and training reps.
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Originally posted by Paul10 Paul10 wrote:

I predict Clarkson and the 3 Scots called up since won't be in the test squads.

This is just for the stupid Tuesday game next week and training reps.

Most probably true Paul10.


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The Scottish trio of Darcy Graham, Rory Sutherland and Ewan Ashman have been called up to the British and Irish Lions squad as cover.

The wing, loose-head prop and hooker were with Gregor Townsend's Scotland squad in New Zealand while preparing to play Samoa in Auckland on Saturday.

They have been drafted in to complete the Lions squad to face the Pasifika XV in Melbourne on Tuesday, 22 July.

Leinster and Ireland prop Thomas Clarkson was called up on Sunday for the same reason. The Geography Four, as they're sure to be termed, will mean that Test players can be completely rested against the Pasifika side.

The match takes place three days after the first Test against Australia in Brisbane and four days before before the second Test in Melbourne on 26 July.

Head coach Andy Farrell's move to draft in extra players is a repeat of Warren Gatland's controversial 'Geography Six' move in New Zealand in 2017 when half a dozen players, including Finn Russell, were parachuted in to play provincial opposition, thereby giving the Test men a rest.

"The boss has called them in because he believes they will help the Lions to achieve their goal of winning a Test series," said Lions captain Maro Itoje.

"All of the players that have been called in are quality players. They are players like everyone else in the team, have a high level of experience and have achieved things in their career.

"We are all in this together. It's not us and them. It doesn't matter if there's a late call-up. We've seen in the past how late call-ups have had huge impact on the tour in positive ways.

"I have no doubt that everyone who has been called up will play a significant role in helping the team achieve its goal."

Graham, who was given two yellows and sent off against Fiji in Suva on Saturday, will not have to endure a suspension and will join the Lions party in Brisbane later on Monday while Sutherland and Ashman will arrive in Melbourne at the weekend.

When they are all in situ, Farrell's squad will rise to 44 players, with 11 Scots now in the group.

Graham has been in terrific form and was deemed unlucky to miss out on the original selection. Sutherland is already a Lions player, having played in two Tests, and in six games overall, in South Africa four years ago.

Ashman made his Scotland debut against the Wallabies in November 2021. Scotland won 15-13 and the hooker scored the decisive try.
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Why Lions series could save rugby union in Australia

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Last Friday, the day before the Lions' final pre-Test warm-up, Peter V'landys headed out of Australia.

It was unlikely he would have been tuning in anyway.

V'landys, the chair of the Australian Rugby League Commission, has been a consistent and caustic critic of the 15-man game.

According to him, rugby union in Australia is an "attention-seeking", external liability that leaves its players "terribly bored"., external

V'landys flight was bound for the US, where he is reportedly pitching to steaming superpowers such as Netflix, Disney and Amazon.

His product is the NRL. And, for those in Australian rugby union, the numbers involved are chastening.

The NRL's current TV deal is worth A$2bn (£973m) over five years. V'landys hopes the next deal, which kicks in after 2027, will be worth A$3bn (£1.5bn).

The NRL is expanding on other fronts.

The addition of the Perth Bears and a Papua New Guinea franchise will take the league up to 19 teams by the end of the decade.

Last year the league staged two matches in Las Vegas, a jaunt that is now an annual tradition.

Rugby Australia, by contrast, is on the defensive.

It signed its own TV rights deal in April. Despite being an increase on their previous, Covid-dented agreement, it clocked in at A$240m (£117m) - about an eighth of the NRL's present deal.

The Melbourne Rebels went into administration last year, leaving Australia with four Super Rugby teams. The Brumbies - the best of the survivors - struggle to attract five-figure crowds.

Rugby Australia is losing out on the balance sheet as well, leaking A$36.8m, external (£17.9m) in its latest accounts.

With Aussie Rules also well ahead of union in terms of finances and coverage, some fear the sport is in terminal decline in Australia.

"Rugby sits a fair way down the ladder in our sporting ecosystem at the moment," said James Horwill, who captained Australia during the 2013 Lions tour and now sits on the board of Queensland Rugby Union.

"We've got three full-time sporting codes that are all competing for the same athletes, the same fans, the same sponsorship dollars and ultimately the same TV slots. It's a very congested marketplace for a country that has 25 million people."

Union wasn't always so squeezed.

In 2003 the World Cup was held in Australia.

A team of Wallaby greats, defending the title they had won four years earlier, went all the way to the final.

Stephen Larkham pulled strings at fly-half, George Smith menaced the breakdown and George Gregan crowed over the beaten All Blacks.

The World Cup pulled more people through the turnstiles and more profit into the tills than any tournament in history.

Union was front and centre. However, its subsequent attempts to tap into new territories, launching the Western Force in Perth and the Rebels in Melbourne, did not strike gold.

While the NRL and the Australian Football League (AFL) moved nimbly to accelerate their game and improve the spectacle, union lagged behind.

Talented players were picked off.

Although Joseph-Aukuso Suaalii arrived to much fanfare last year, the Wallabies were at a net loss to rugby league as Carter Gordon and Mark Nawaqanitawase headed in the opposite direction at the same time.

The raiders come from overseas as well. Top 14 clubs especially have come calling for teenage talent, taking them out of school and halfway round the world to play in France.

And all the time, the Wallabies have stalled. The two-time champions have reached the World Cup final once since 2003.

The nadir came in 2023 when, 20 years on from their home World Cup, they were dumped out of the tournament at the pool stages for the first time.

Phil Waugh, who played in the 2003 final, is the man tasked with staging the fightback.

Appointed Rugby Australia chief executive in 2023, he is clear that the Lions are key to boosting the beleaguered finances of his organisation.

He predicts that Rugby Australia could end this year with a A$50m (£24m) surplus, with a mammoth 100,000-plus crowd for the second Test at the Melbourne Cricket Ground helping it wipe out its heavy borrowing.

"We're still very much on track to have the option of being debt-free by the end of 2025, and then with the uplift in broadcast and continued financial discipline through the next cycle... we'll be in a far stronger position to, sensibly and in a well-considered way, invest into the different projects or community elements of the game," he told the Australian Financial Review, external this month.

The next cycle is key for union in Australia. The Lions is just the start.

As well as the Lions tour, Australia will host the men's and women's World Cups in 2027 and 2029 respectively and the Olympic Sevens tournament in 2032.

It is seen as a golden decade that, taken together, underlines the strengths that union has over its rivals - a global depth and intrigue that Aussie Rules or rugby league can't match.

Suaalii has already seen it. When he made his Test debut at Twickenham last November, the scale of the occasion, in front of 82,000 people, caught him unawares.

Speaking to the media this week, he counted the number of microphones and Dictaphones in front of him as an indicator of the interest a Lions tour generates.

"My old man has always said to me 'it's a big world out there' and rugby brings that," Suaalii said.

"This is one of the great parts of our game and we should be celebrating it," said Horwill.

"It is so unique, really to any other sport in the world - four nations coming together with so much tradition, history and so much support, and come out on tour.

"In Australia, where you're competing every weekend for talent, for sponsors, for fans, for kids playing the game, this means a lot.

"Kids will watch this and want be part of it one day. You can't overestimate the impact it has."

Justin Harrison agrees. "It's a real shot in the arm," the former Wallabies second row said.

"People will be able to see rugby played on the screens when they're walking past pubs. They're going to see a ground swell of people moving towards an event; they're going to hear singing and jocularity and friendly rivalry.

"Sport is wonderful, but rugby in particular brings the world right into the palm of your hand and we have to make the most of that."

Horwill and Harrison know, however, that the surest route back to into the limelight is also the simplest: via the pitch.

"We haven't been able to perform at the level we've wanted to over the last little bit. So ultimately we want some good performances to engage the fickle or casual rugby fan," said Horwill.

Stephen Moore, a former team-mate of both, believes the ultimate injection of momentum may be at hand.

"Without wanting to put too much pressure on the current players it is there for them to take," he told the BBC's Rugby Union Weekly.

"If we can keep our best players on the field, it is a very winnable series for us."

The Wallabies are playing for themselves, their country and also a whole sport.
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