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This season - Event Date: 04 Oct 2020 - 12 Oct 2020
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Ealing Trailfinders have their first match with spectators this Saturday. The clubhouse and bars will be closed with limited outside catering for food and hot drinks. I think that will be the pattern for COVID Tiers 2 & 3 clubs.


Four bars were open and selling beer and other beverages.
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Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

Originally posted by Bunkermentality Bunkermentality wrote:

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Ealing Trailfinders have their first match with spectators this Saturday. The clubhouse and bars will be closed with limited outside catering for food and hot drinks. I think that will be the pattern for COVID Tiers 2 & 3 clubs.




Four bars were open and selling beer and other beverages.


Good news for all hoping to start in January/February - without bars being open, there would be little hope of breaking even let alone making a profit.
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The Rugby Paper today gives details of the 48 clubs in the National league Cup, which may be put back until February. Five clubs not participating. 
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Sad to see Rotherham not playing because they cannot afford to pay their players. Why would clubs pay anything to players to play in a competition that will only last half a season, has no league table involved, and does not result in any promotion or relegation?  If players insist on being paid given the crisis every rugby club has been through this season I suggest they are not the sort of player you want in your club.  If players will not play for money fine, find some others who will -I am sure there are plenty of younger players who would relish the opportunity to play at Nat1/Nat 2 level
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Marigold: As said my point posted a week or so ago.I fully agree with what you are saying:
 
The player in 2020 expects everything and will do nothing for nothing, it does not matter be it league or cup, some will not play for free, which is a sad indictment of the modern player, take take take!

It will also be interesting to see come the start of the 21/22 season, and we are back to normal, what clubs are paying retainers to players as well, because most at National 1or 2 level do or did up till now and I would have thought not many will have anything in the pot to be able to afford this luxury.

Everybody was able to cancel players contracts for this season, most ended players contracts in March  with no league rugby and therefore not having that outlay anymore, but when clubs start to go back in July for pre season, I bet some players will be asking clubs to pay retainers to them from day one!


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The "player in 2020", most likely works full time alongside playing rugby. At Nat 1/2 you are expected to train 2/3 times a week, before even accommodating for gym/rehab work outside of this. If injured, which given the emphasis on "mass" has definitely increased in recent times, you are either reliant on NHS or if lucky can pay your own way through private medical insurance which more often than not doesn't cover pre-existing conditions. If there are players on retainers, they deserve it. 

Take, take, take is well off the mark, plenty of clubs have stitched up many players in our time observing our own clubs and National Leagues. If players do not want to play, its nothing to do with the sentiment of playing for free and the modern player, it's being realistic and understanding the pros and cons of each, crisis or not. Only last year, a player did severe damage during game and required 3 surgeries. He had to take a large portion off work and was eventually let go. We are now asking players to make similar commitments, off the back of no contact training since March, whilst considering the COVID risks playing despite some having families and also not be paid. A bit of common sense would be handy instead of these reckless opinions...
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Originally posted by MCNRY MCNRY wrote:

The "player in 2020", most likely works full time alongside playing rugby. At Nat 1/2 you are expected to train 2/3 times a week, before even accommodating for gym/rehab work outside of this. If injured, which given the emphasis on "mass" has definitely increased in recent times, you are either reliant on NHS or if lucky can pay your own way through private medical insurance which more often than not doesn't cover pre-existing conditions. If there are players on retainers, they deserve it. 

Take, take, take is well off the mark, plenty of clubs have stitched up many players in our time observing our own clubs and National Leagues. If players do not want to play, its nothing to do with the sentiment of playing for free and the modern player, it's being realistic and understanding the pros and cons of each, crisis or not. Only last year, a player did severe damage during game and required 3 surgeries. He had to take a large portion off work and was eventually let go. We are now asking players to make similar commitments, off the back of no contact training since March, whilst considering the COVID risks playing despite some having families and also not be paid. A bit of common sense would be handy instead of these reckless opinions...

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As Frank Machin says in this Sporting Life

"I don't enjoy getting kicked about for other people's enjoyment. Only if I've been paid a lot for it"

That he was portayed by Richard Harris is just ironic. Though Richard at least had the Rugby skills to carry the on pitch scenes.
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

As Frank Machin says in this Sporting Life

"I don't enjoy getting kicked about for other people's enjoyment. Only if I've been paid a lot for it"

That he was portayed by Richard Harris is just ironic. Though Richard at least had the Rugby skills to carry the on pitch scenes.


Great book. Not quite so good a film (despite Harris's best efforts).
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Also read about the suffering of players such as Steve Thompson (with head concussion induced dementia) and similar players further down the league, to realise that players deserve all they can earn for the enjoyment of their spectators.
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The Guardian has made a big splash of Steve Thompson, Alix Popham and others over the early onset dementia, rightly IMHO. The RFU has been running its CRISP Injury Survey for some years now and has been feeding data from that to World Rugby as they look at player safety within the Laws. 

I am also a Trustee of The Children's Trust, a charity that provides rehab for children with acquired brain injuries, some of whom have acquired those in sports activities, not just rugby. 

Taking the limited amount that I know into account, we cannot stop people carrying out activities that may cause brain injury but we can raise awareness and understanding among coaches, medical staff and parents of the possible issues. The Rugby authorities can then identify mitigation measures. 

One measure I would like to see is the ending of the use of the word "smashing" when describing tackling. Tackling is designed to stop a player running, smashing implies breaking into pieces. Young players cannot always distinguish between the definitions.
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Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

One measure I would like to see is the ending of the use of the word "smashing" when describing tackling. Tackling is designed to stop a player running, smashing implies breaking into pieces. Young players cannot always distinguish between the definitions.

Totally agree with this point.  

Facebook/Youtube/Twitter etc are full of clips of 'great hits' - yes hits, not 'great tackles'. They are usually someone throwing themselves into contact, arms hardly used, rarely wrapped. 

Yet these are applauded by millions and become installed in youngsters psyche as the way to play the game. 
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Instinctively one would think that making players tackle below the waist would reduce the number of 'hits' and thus be safer, but unfortunately when the Championship tried this the trial had to be halted because of the increase in the number of concussions from low tackling. 
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I understand that at some levels in nFrance tackling below the waist is mandatory, can Frednch Connection conform and if so what's the effect?
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Originally posted by marigold marigold wrote:

Instinctively one would think that making players tackle below the waist would reduce the number of 'hits' and thus be safer, but unfortunately when the Championship tried this the trial had to be halted because of the increase in the number of concussions from low tackling. 


Yes, good idea but not thought out - it was mainly the tackler being concussed through getting his head in the wrong place - a case of poor technique.
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Originally posted by Oldman1 Oldman1 wrote:

I understand that at some levels in nFrance tackling below the waist is mandatory, can Frednch Connection conform and if so what's the effect?


This is being trialled in France at community level. The Grauniad report said that it was positive but that wasn’t necessarily the experience in the Championship Cup trial.
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Tackling below the waist is what coaches teach boys when they first start to play. There is no RFU Video that I am aware of that teaches chest-high tackling. To me that is a League tackle. We need to teach players to tackle well and safely. Yes, it may lead to more offloads because the ball is not being targeted and wrapped up but that actually benefits the game - well for the attacking side. Hang on, isn’t that what we are trying to do?
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Well the groupings for the NCA Cup - but not yet the fixtures - have been released:

1 Blaydon, DMP, Tynedale, Wharfedale, Harrogate
2 Barnes, Chinnor, Esher, Henley, Rams, Rosslyn Park
3 Moseley, Lions, Stourbridge, Cinderford, Hinckley, Luffbra
4 Blackheath, Canterbury, OEs, Tonbridge, Worthing
5 Sale, Caldy, Fylde, Chester, Sedgley Park
6 Bishops Stort, Cambridge, Bury St Eds, OAS, Westcliff
7 Leeds, Sheffield, Huddersfield, Hull, Hull Ionians
8 Plymouth, Barnstaple, Dings, Redruth, Taunton, Clifton

Now you can all start posting your versions which would have reduced travel! Oh, and don’t forget to start forecasting Group winners!! Leeds seem to have a relatively easy group to ease them into NCA rugby.
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Hopefully we will see these games played in the new year. Living within a mile or so of both Westcliff and Rochford I’m disappointed that Rochford aren't in the draw, as home and away local derbies would have made two very welcome fun afternoons out. 
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It seems no Bournville, Guernsey, Luctonians, Rochford or Rotherham.
Which is a pity.
But 43 of the 48 have entered.
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