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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Paul10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 6 hours 37 minutes ago at 13:28
Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Do we need, should we have, loan players other than for a complete season? 
Love, Squadron Leader xx

Players can and do choose to change clubs mid season.

Clubs need short term cover.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote L33 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 5 hours 40 minutes ago at 14:25
Originally posted by Nat1 Nat1 wrote:

Originally posted by Big Eddie Big Eddie wrote:

Caldy 15 Donny 33

A tighter game than the final scoreline suggested with Caldy fielding 5 backs 21 or under and a few others who had stepped up from the Caldy second xv. Donny had the edge just. However, but for a somewhat controversial late 14 point swing Caldy could have fairly picked up a losing bonus point. A Caldy breakaway with the line at their mercy was hauled back by a strange interpretation by the assistant referee who in my view wrongly and belatedly signalled for a knock on earlier in the play by the Ravers. Galvanized by the let off Donny scored in the corner to bring up their 5th score but I heard that Donny's own players were somewhat sheepish about the award of the try and acknowledged it hadn't been grounded.

However such are the vicissitudes present in any game it didn't detract from a highly enjoyable and close fought game by two entertaining sides. Hats off to the young players Charlie Hyde, Jacob Mitchell and Dylan Carroll who really stepped up against a top team in Donny.

Caldy made a few too many errors to have won the game but there is no doubt in my mind the Ravers are getting closer to reaching the necessary standard without yet quite translating their improvement into league points.

Although not a point about Championship rugby I am going to also congratulate Caldy's 2nd xv for winning the Halbro League's Primo Drinks Cup with a 27-24 win against Sedgley Park who were heavily reinforced with seven 1st team players including the giant Tom Ailes and Nat 1's top try scorer winger Rhys Henderson. Shorn of some of their best players who were playing against Donny the Caldy 2nd team were real underdogs against a very strong Sedgley xv but somehow against the odds the Caldy youngsters racked up their 125th consecutive win......just extraordinary !! 

Hats off to the inspirational coaching team of Andrew Soutar and Christian Jones who have guided and led this home grown squad to this extraordinary achievement.

It sounds like Caldy weren't far off getting a bonus point or two. It's always impressive when 2nd team players step up against full time professionals. Was this due to injuries to first team players?

The record you highlight reminds me of Chinnor Wildboys (3rd XV) who went on a similarly long run of wins, incredible. They then moved up through the Counties Leagues to start facing 1 XVs, which brought them to the right level of opposition. 

Have Caldy 2nd XV considered that option (if available) to provide the next challenge? Perhaps even the Regional Leagues (L6, 5) although I'm not sure 2nd XVs are permitted in these?

Yes it has, the issue you have the league is a Lancashire and Cheshire league.

Cheshire clubs voted in favor of allowing 2xv to play in the league system.

Only 2 Lancashire clubs game forward to vote in favor of allowing 2xv to play in the leagues. It requires 4 teams to have a vote.

The issue is that messages doesn't get to the right people within the club to allow them to make a decision.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 5 hours 22 minutes ago at 14:43
Some of the smaller clubs thought they would lose their best players to the big clubs if those clubs could enter a second team into the league. The theory would be players would move to play in the second tam, with the hope of getting into the big club's 1st XV. Though if you are playing two leagues down from the 1st XV, you are not going to waltz into it.

I have no idea if there was any such movement in the counties that did permit 2nd XVs into the leagues.

However, since then the powers that be have decided that all players at a club whose first team are in the Championship count as players at a Championship club, so cannot play for the county. Even if they are in the 6thXV.

That has caused several Cambridge 3rd XV players to leave - as it ruled them out of county games.



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 2 hours 34 minutes ago at 17:31
Also at present 2nd XV's are not allowed to rise above Level7 which probably wouldn't be a high enough standard for clubs such as Caldy and other senior clubs with very strong 2nd XV's.
That rule is supposedly up for review during the close season so it will be interesting to see what happens 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Nat1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 2 hours 28 minutes ago at 17:37
Big Eddie, L33. Thank you for your clarification. From an outsider's perspective that looks like a case of Lancs clubs wanting to keep a strong 2nd XV from entering their joint Cheshire/Lancs league for fear of coming up against a side that may very well beat their 1st XV.

To win 125 matches in a row is quite some feat. As a Championship club could Caldy take their 2nd XV to play their corresponding opposition 2nd teams as a precursor to the 1st XV matches each week? This works well at a number of clubs across Nat 1. 

I'm unsure if the full time sides in the Champ have 2nd XVs (do they have academies?), but I do know that Chinnor, Cambridge and Ampthill do. It may well be more worthwhile for the up and coming Caldy players to play against stronger sides and may even add another dimension to the Championship. I also know I've gone off topic on this thread, apologies!


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote fatbear Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 1 hour 41 minutes ago at 18:24
It shouldn't be too hard to arrange for Caldy 2nds to travel with the firsts to play Chinnor Falcons ( and vice versa ). Chinnor should be able to arrange their Raging Bull Fixtures to have two clear dates to play Caldy, if there is a will !

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Nat1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 1 hour 36 minutes ago at 18:29
Originally posted by fatbear fatbear wrote:

It shouldn't be too hard to arrange for Caldy 2nds to travel with the firsts to play Chinnor Falcons ( and vice versa ). Chinnor should be able to arrange their Raging Bull Fixtures to have two clear dates to play Caldy, if there is a will !

...there is a way! There you go, easily done and x2 more competetive fixtures for both clubs for next season, who has to contact who to make it happen? They act as good curtain raisers and it get supporters into the ground early for 12.30pm KO before the 1 XV at 3pm - more bar sales all round too. It is win win. 
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