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cheshire exile 
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 Posted: 23 Jan 2020 at 16:31 |
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My only quibble would be that these otherwise very sensible proposals would mean Carnegie staying up. To relegate them would perhaps be asking a bit much of the fifth placed Nat1
club to come up.
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greenpower
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Posted: 23 Jan 2020 at 17:06 |
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cherub under no circumstances do carnegie deserve another lifeline
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Fat Albert
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Posted: 23 Jan 2020 at 17:14 |
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Should the very unlikely happen and Bedford be relegated this season Saracens would be come Ampthill's closest competitor...
That'd make a tasty Boxing Day game
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a Freudian slip is when you say one thing but mean your mother
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marigold
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Posted: 23 Jan 2020 at 17:34 |
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Chreub the Championship is already a financial basket case. The Greene King sponsorship finishes this season whilst the RFU/PRL deal which gives £7 million pounds to 12 Championship clubs is also finished. The Championship refused an extension because they wanted more money and now have none guaranteed. Anything they do get they will not divide more than 12 ways. Not sure TV rights worth much when Saracens are likely playing a load of teams who's players cannot afford to be full time.
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Runitback
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Posted: 23 Jan 2020 at 18:17 |
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16 teams in the Championship is 2 too many as it currently is in Nat1, players need more breaks in the season. But other than that I tend to agree.
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Run with it
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Richard Lowther
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Posted: 23 Jan 2020 at 18:33 |
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I smiled when I read Saracens initial defence re the abuse of competition law and abuse of a dominant position, yet Nigel Wray supports ring fencing which could create such an environment.
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OldNick
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Posted: 23 Jan 2020 at 18:45 |
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Nigel Wray, Richard?
<<Off course Nick, predictive text correction or my stupidity! Richard>> Edited by Richard Lowther - 23 Jan 2020 at 20:40 |
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Camquin
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Posted: 23 Jan 2020 at 19:33 |
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Player need breaks, but do the clubs?
According to statbunker only 17 players had 30 appearances last season across the 16 sides. So everyone else had at least one week off. |
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Robb
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Posted: 23 Jan 2020 at 20:13 |
I'm sure Blackheath could do fine up there...... In all seriousness though, there really should only be a 12 team league with a Cup competition that includes the Premiership and the Championship teams. The RFU bottled it last time when the Welsh pulled out, hopefully this time they'll get it right. A fully professional 16 team 2nd tier will cause another early 2000s style collapse of many historic clubs.
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Camera Shake
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Posted: 23 Jan 2020 at 20:45 |
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If the decision to bring in ring-fencing of the premiership had been made at the beginning of this season, which league would Saracens have been playing in next season? Bit of an academic question perhaps - but, if it is introduced in the future, what will happen to the next team to be sent to the naughty step?
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Posted: 23 Jan 2020 at 20:53 |
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Sarries will be relegated irrespective of any league point. So the loss of 35 points has no effect on anything. Is there a good case to have the 35 points deduction applied next season? In addition, the fine and 35 points deduction, relate to previous years 'problems'. The money from the fine has, I think, been shared out amongst the other premiership clubs. The relegation sanction has been given to them for repeating the problem again this season. Should they not, therefore, be fined for this indiscretion as well, and would it be sensible for the fine to be shared out amongst the Championship clubs?
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Camquin
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Posted: 24 Jan 2020 at 00:19 |
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Perhaps with Saracens at level 2, the Premiership teams might accept a two league cup - but they were never going to play with hoi poloi.
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islander
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Posted: 24 Jan 2020 at 06:56 |
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I'd really question the appetite for cup competitions at any level. Perhaps the Heineken Cup is an exception, but even then you get teams busting their balls to earn a place and then under-performing in the early rounds, leading to dead rubbers in rounds 5/6. Right from the get-go this season most observers were pretty clear that there were 3 or 4 teams who were going to be in the final. And that goes right down to county cups, which appear to have fewer entrants each season...
As regards league sizes, 12 seems too few if there was to be no cup competition, and I have always thought 16, as at Nat 1/2, is too many...
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Cherub
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Posted: 24 Jan 2020 at 08:33 |
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Reading the various suggestions, it seems that the general consensus is that there should be no cup competitions, no play offs, and more clubs in the Championship whether it be 14 or 16. The albatross appears to be the funding. Can someone explain, in very simple language, how the league is funded right now? I know many agreements are about to end but am I right there are three streams of income? The RFU, Greene King, and Sky Sports. How much does each pay per season and how much goes to each club? I really do want to get to the bottom of this.
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marigold
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Posted: 24 Jan 2020 at 09:28 |
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Cherub the RFU and PRL combined give each Champ club £560,000. There is an additional performance payment depending where you finish in the league between20k-5k. The money from Greene King and Sky goes to the RFU central pot-none direct to the clubs. Currently the agreements with the RFU/PRL and the Greene King sponsorship end at the end of this season. At this moment the Championship clubs have no idea of the amount, if any , they will receive. I think the Nottingham chairman was loud about this in the RP a couple of weeks ago.
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OldNick
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Posted: 24 Jan 2020 at 09:40 |
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The key isn’t what goes into the cake, but how it is sliced. The RFU has repeatedly said it can be sliced 14 ways, rather than 12, but that it will be no larger a cake than at present.
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Pappashanga
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Posted: 24 Jan 2020 at 10:08 |
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If Saracens are going to be playing in the Championship, I expect their away games will be packed out. So this will help financially.I'm looking forward to their coming to the RAG, whether just to play Scottish, or hopefully Scottish and Mond.] 'Accentuate the positive,' as the song says.
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Westcoaster
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Posted: 24 Jan 2020 at 10:54 |
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I'm with Islander above, get rid of the Cup competition. Its been tried and tested in two different formats over a decade or so. Crowds don't go and its a waste of time. Falling crowds are a problem with many teams and Saracens' presence next season might just improve that.
Far better to expand the Championship to 14 teams and have more League games without the present stop start season because of unwanted blocks of Cup games. Promoted team goes up and one maybe two go down, and two up from Nat 1. No play offs. If there is a spare weekend or two towards the end of the season, pick a Championship select team and have a game against a Tier two 2 international side and get this on tv. Japan comes to mind. The current central funding of £560,000, divided between 12 clubs, IF that is repeated would then perhaps be reduced to £480,000 per team. Ideally the funding could be topped up by the RFU but lets be realistic. The additional two home games per team including hopefully a well attended one v Saracens should compensate for the £80,000 drop in income. Maybe Saracens presence will help the Championship, especially if one or star names hang around, SKY and sponsor interest etc, and if the Clubs could lobby the RFU with one view (pause to admire bacon flying overhead ) perhaps the championship could finally be recognised by the RFU as something worthwhile and deserving of proper support, i.e. some additional central funding
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Come on Jersey........
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FHLH
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Posted: 24 Jan 2020 at 10:57 |
Why do players need breaks? Few play more than 50 minutes with loads of breaks for water. What they need is a break for a fag. These guys don't know they're born. Paid, fed, clothed, half a game - help paint the clubhouse, hat stuffed!
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"My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts."
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WESTCOMBE RANGER
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Posted: 24 Jan 2020 at 11:16 |
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Just to throw a curved ball in, why not have an odd number in the league. 15 in the league would produce 28 fixtures, 6 more than currently. The off- week would give opportunities for players to get over niggling injuries that they may have been playing through, and have other beneficial opportunities for coaches, such as more one on one skills sessions. Am sure others will contribute as to other benefits.
Back on track - My understanding of the relegation aspect, rather than the initial 35 points deduction, was that Saracens were invtied to either open up their accounts for an extensive audit to take place, or accept automatic relegation, and Saracens themselves accepted relegationI. Is that correct ? Edited by WESTCOMBE RANGER - 24 Jan 2020 at 11:25 |
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