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The Blues ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Status: Offline Points: 5115 |
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Probably won’t happen to Leicester if found guilty.
Leicester Tigers: Premiership salary cap director investigating historical image rights allegations https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/59809659
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castleparknight ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Jun 2012 Location: Doncaster Status: Online Points: 3058 |
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If they are found guilty should they not face the same penalty as Saracens.
Would that then mean that two go up? I cannot see the PRL or RFU allowing this to happen and then Leicester having to stay in the Championship for a couple of years...... yeah right that is bound to happen, they will move heaven and earth to prevent that from happening.
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PiffPaff ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Oct 2014 Location: Manchester Status: Offline Points: 1126 |
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The RFU tend to go with Precedents and Tariffs.
If the alleged offense is deemed the same or worse than Sarries then points deduction and ultimately relegation should follow. If a lesser offense points deduction and a fine might suffice. The precedent was set by the Sarries case. Not 100% how they would handle relegation after the RFU stated "no relegation" they might double up on the points deduction bit, 50 points this season, 50 points next. No Euro Rugby for 2 years or more for Tigers will be a killer, interesting that they've let two big earners go (Ford and Genge) almost like they are trying to cut the wage bill to a more "even" salary level?? Think David Barnes will be the busiest man at Twickenham in the New Year! |
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Brizzer ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Mar 2012 Location: Jersey Status: Offline Points: 3398 |
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I should imagine that if found guilty Sarries will be screaming for Leicester to face the same sanction. The RFU/PL have set a precedent |
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Raider999 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 18 Jan 2013 Location: Crawley Status: Offline Points: 4536 |
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Sarries penalty was 35 points deduction, they were also asked to open their books to prove they were within the salary cap for that season - they declined to do so, choosing to take relegation instead (read into that what you may) Leicester's case would presumably follow the same path if found guilty - although they may make different choices to Sarries. A little early to start thinking of 2 up from the Championship IMO - I would suspect that if Leicester were relegated it is more likely the Premiership would play with 13 again or even no promotion and play with 12 with the possibility of jumping to 14 the following season (no chance of Leicester not finishing in top 2 of Championship) |
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Raider999 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 18 Jan 2013 Location: Crawley Status: Offline Points: 4536 |
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With Sale snapping up star players one after the other (Tuilagi last year, now Ford for next year) and having 10-15 South Africans in their squad, I am surprised how they can be within the Salary cap.
Bristol, also have a number of high profile players and have now re-signed Genge for next year. Perhaps the RFU should inspect the books of all Premiership clubs without delay? As for punishment for exceeding the salary cap I would suggest that any club found guilty of such should lose their RFU funding for the following season - this would save the hard-up RFU some money. |
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Thatbloke ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 02 Sep 2017 Location: Newport Status: Offline Points: 1833 |
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Which they could then invest into the community game - NOT - more likely extend Eddie's contract and give him a big pay rise
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cheshire exile ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 05 Feb 2009 Status: Offline Points: 2602 |
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I suspect South Africans are cheaper than home based players. Converting their salaries back to SA rand will give them a hugely comfortable post playing-retirement position back home.
Edited by cheshire exile - 29 Dec 2021 at 17:44 |
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castleparknight ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Jun 2012 Location: Doncaster Status: Online Points: 3058 |
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My thoughts exactly....
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Raider999 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 18 Jan 2013 Location: Crawley Status: Offline Points: 4536 |
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That may be correct, especially for the average Saffa. However I was under the impression that there is a payment from the RFU which is connected to the number of English qualified players in each match day squad. Assuming this is still correct they must be forgoing this every game? |
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castleparknight ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Jun 2012 Location: Doncaster Status: Online Points: 3058 |
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If it was anything like the £20K (I am happy to be corrected) that the Championship got paid for the whole season then clubs will probably happily forgo that option.
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Raider999 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 18 Jan 2013 Location: Crawley Status: Offline Points: 4536 |
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No idea how much it was, but I would seriously doubt it was as low as £20k a season - more like £20K a game? |
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marigold ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Apr 2019 Location: Eltham Status: Offline Points: 430 |
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Champ clubs get max £150k for this season but some of that ring fenced to only be spent on certain areas eg £50k on medical. Lot less than the £560k before the pandemic-and even then the majority were losing money each season. Full time 2nd tier pro league simply not financially possible
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OldNick ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 20 May 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3420 |
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That final sentence is nonsense.
Add 'self funded through gate receipts' and it is accurate, or add 'without central funding'. It is only impossible when the RFU has decided that all its funding goes to white elephant gin palaces, or what are becoming increasingly obviously Lovely Premiership teams.
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dropout22 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 03 Jul 2017 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 526 |
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Sale have been known before for operating a very small first team squad at one stage just 31 players, this in turn enabled them to afford these players as they had less players overall to cover the £7m or £5m etc, whilst other clubs may have first team squads of 42-45. |
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dropout22 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 03 Jul 2017 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 526 |
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Last season was £150k, this season is £161k - an upgrade courtesy of PRL! Even that pre pandemic figure was sometimes alot higher , some clubs recieving £690k in the 2019/20 season. The drop is incredible, however it was slightly worrying the number of clubs that based almost their entire business plans across this funding, they knew was ending in 2020. |
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castleparknight ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Jun 2012 Location: Doncaster Status: Online Points: 3058 |
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Ending, according to the RFU not the Championship (who should surely have been informed of this), based on the non-existent KPI's that were allegedly in place. Whilst the RFU continues to pump millions into each Prem Club, clubs who continue in not developing English players but take the money. Even you know that this is just a ploy to ring fence the Prem through another avenue. But lets not go there.
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Raider999 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 18 Jan 2013 Location: Crawley Status: Offline Points: 4536 |
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It seems to me that the whole mess in the Championship was caused by the RFU publicly stating they wanted a full-time 2nd tier without providing realistic funding levels (40 players @ £40k = £1.6m)
It raised expectancy amongst players and in some clubs that full-time was possible (even if pay levels would be considerably lower than many at Premier Level) It now seems the RFU have abandoned the dream of a full-time 2nd tier and are actively discouraging it by slashing the funding -were they expecting the teams to somehow obtain a sugar-daddy each to fund their dreams? I totally agree, some teams seem to have relied on the £500k-£650k supplied by the RFU as their main source of income alongside match day income in some cases (e.g. Leeds being effectively bust but allowing to have one more season at Championship level -and of course an extra £500k). With the Premiership salary cap reducing to £5m per season from next season one might hope the RFU funding to each team will be reduced - however the prospect of 14 teams will likely swallow up any savings. |
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Camquin ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 12002 |
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How much funding do you think the RFU should provide? Enough for gold-plated taps in the Committee washroom, perhaps? |
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Thatbloke ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 02 Sep 2017 Location: Newport Status: Offline Points: 1833 |
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Firstly I totally agree that there should be a salary cap AND that it should be totally transparent. What I do wonder is how many clubs are making "extra payments" through ghost companies set up by clever accountants. Can't believe its just been Sarries and now Leicester?
What doesn't make any sense at all is that the salary cap is the same for every club across the board, it should be linked to a %age of gross income, however that may be accrued. In footballing terms would you really try to impose the same salary cap to Man Utd (a global brand) as you would to Norwich City (no offence!)??? Why should a club generating millions have the same salary cap as a club generating perhaps a tenth of those figures? Back to rugby - Leicester have always generated big crowds whilst the likes of Worcester and others get far fewer through the gates - so in my opinion it's farcical that they should have the same salary cap
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