Half Way Mark - Promotion and Relegation
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Topic: Half Way Mark - Promotion and Relegation
Posted By: Park Ranger
Subject: Half Way Mark - Promotion and Relegation
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2019 at 04:45
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I'm sticking my neck out with these predictions for the end of the season after 15 more rounds: 1.Richmond 2.Rosslyn Park 3.Rams and at the other end the 3 for the drop 14. Rotherham 15. Hull 16 Canterbury At the top Park still have Richmond and Rams at The Rock so that will be interesting! At last we have a season without a runaway winner at the half way mark. Anyone agree with my predictions??????? ------------- If you're not on the pitch you can't win the game |
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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2019 at 06:47
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I predict a lot of alliteration. But I'm hoping Roth can squeak enough points to survive. ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: fatbear
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2019 at 08:00
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Park Ranger So the top three and the bottom three will stay as per the current table. A pretty safe prediction ! I hope Chinnor will squeeze past Rams into third. If Richmond and Rosslyn Park both win next weekend I would say they should be the top two, but if both lose then it brings Old Es and Chinnor into the mix, with Cinderford and Blackheath lurking ! I think Moseley and Cambridge have enough about them to stay clear of Rotherham so perhaps Rotherham's best chance would for Sale to implode. But I can't see that either....
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Posted By: Sid James
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2019 at 09:05
I bet those predictions really took some thinking about. Well done Park Ranger. ------------- All Knwoing All Seeing |
Park Ranger wrote:Posted By: BFG1
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2019 at 15:00
| Pretty sure last season we didn't have a runaway leader..... Park Ranger had a season away? Missed out last year and 5 points separating two 6 at xmas |
Posted By: marigold
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2019 at 15:32
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Lot easier to predict who will be coming down into Nat One-although will the RFU come up with another left field decision to ensure YC stay in the Championship. Been a great use of £500,000 ...... |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2019 at 16:42
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I would not be sure any club will come down. If they keep the leagues as they are and YC will need to find another £500k+, at which point I can see them folding. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Yogi
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2019 at 19:25
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Camquin, If they do it will have been a sad waste of two former great Leeds clubs, namely Headingley and Roundhay, back in the late 1980s. ------------- What's with you Boo-Boo |
Posted By: yorky10000
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2019 at 11:01
| Ah that has stirred the memory. Those b****y leather balls used by the lower sides at Headingley well into the 80s. They weighed a ton, were more round than oval, and,when wet, any clearance kick had a maximum flight of about 10 yards. |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2019 at 12:17
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Yogi - I do not disagree, just fear. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2019 at 21:20
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Very interesting at the top - difficult to see the winner coming from outside the top 3 (Richmond, Rosslyn Pk or Rams) although Chinnor might have an outside chance. Hull Ionians and Canterbury look doomed, with Rotherham having a lot to do to climb above Birmingham Moseley. Looks like 2 northern and 1 southern team being relegated as per normal. There is also the Leeds debacle to factor in - most informed guesses suggest they will fold if they get relegated thus losing the RFU subsidy which would mean only 2 being relegated, possibly Rotherham's best hope? ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: Alderman
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2019 at 12:32
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If three go down then the current cellar dwellers look destined for the drop. Rotherham Titans fans on their own excellent forum are calling for an influx of DRs to save the club. That's a possible route to survival I suppose. At the top I will wildly predict that both Richmond and Rosslyn Park will implode and Darlington pinch the title ahead of OEs, Rams and Blackheath |
Posted By: front5
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2019 at 14:13
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I feel that any team in the top 7 still have a chance at winning the league, I think January will be a telling month with some big matches to be played - Rams v DMP Richmond v Blackheath Blackheath v RP Chinnor v Rams Rams v Richmond To name only a few, I think Rams and Blackheath could really have a say in how the title picture will play out, it could leave it very open at the top. Additionally it could go down to the last week of the season where Richmond host DMP, and Rotherham host Rosslyn Park, if Roth are playing for survival it could be a final twist in the tale. Unfortunately I think Birmingham Moseley will be dragged into the relegation battle and ultimately may just pay the price for some targeted DR recruitment from Rotherham. |
Posted By: front5
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2019 at 14:27
My predictions are - Top 3 - DMP Rosslyn Park Richmond Bottom 3 - Birmingham Moseley Hull Ionians Canterbury
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Posted By: Keppeltitan
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2019 at 16:19
| Latesthe rumouron Rotherham Titans chat coach Antony Posa has resigned . |
Posted By: Keppeltitan
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2019 at 16:21
| Should be latest rumour. |
Posted By: Rothman2
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 13:27
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This is not a rumour. He has gone. The guy came with strong credentials but this is a professional league. We may as well spend the second half of the season getting things in place to launch a return from National 2N next season. In the Prem and Championship it became all about money but it would seem to be a more level field so to speak. That said, the London based (or within easy reach of London) clubs are gravitating to the top as there are clearly more opportunities for city careers in a part time set up. Roth has a proud history but that is what it is.....history. In the here and now we are not competing . Yesterday is a case in question. Getting hammered by a team who we comfortably beat at the Lane earlier in the season so there must be coaching issues as the squad assembled were one of the favourites to be competing at the other end. We won at Chinnor so there clearly is ability but any new coach needs to be experienced at Championship level, know what it takes to get out of this league and be ruthless and let them know what it means to wear the shirt. The ability to run through walls. All this takes money and ambition but whether the directors have the pockets and appetite for it is another matter. Those guys have single handedly saved the club ever since it went belly up when we got relegated from the Prem 15 years ago. They deserve better. |
Posted By: Keppeltitan
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 14:19
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We were told yesterday there would be no new coach this season with Jenks taking over the coaching duties. People on Titans chat keep saying what good players we have so why are we getting soundly beaten every week . One other point apart from Fergus Mulchrone how many Sale Sharks players did Sale have in their squad yesterday. |
Posted By: jimbojetset
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 15:01
None/Zero/Nada/Nilch. Fergus Mulchrone is signed to Sale FC. He's retired from the premiership. He was in the first Sale FC Colts team we had in the modern era with Jack Moorhouse and Ryan Parkinson and moved back to Altrincham this year where he was brought up. |
Posted By: Moseley Mauler
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 15:43
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Posted By: Moseley Mauler
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 15:44
| Sorry. James William's? |
Posted By: yorky10000
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 15:53
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Isnt Bingham a DR and possibly one of the front row?? Anyway, Rotherham were just awful. One thing you used to rely on was that Roth would at least provide a physical challenge - that was sadly missing. |
Posted By: jimbojetset
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 16:56
Bingham was on loan from us to Chester and returned last week. Ollie was on loan last year from us to Macc as part of his recovery process from being out for pretty much a year with surgery to repair his Achilles
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Posted By: jimbojetset
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 16:58
James Williams wasn't playing yesterday. |
Posted By: Moseley Mauler
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 17:21
Ah ok. I thought I saw his name in the team initially announced. Mea Culpa |
Posted By: baatalbion
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2019 at 19:12
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Rothman2, I appreciate your sentiments as we too have our struggles at Albion. Maybe 2020 will bring positive news, although you cannot deny the other National 1 clubs the applause they deserve for the impact they have made. Nothing lasts forever, despite reputation. |
Posted By: Park Ranger
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 00:21
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So its Park back on top now by the narrowest of margins. Just watched the BM v Rams video and whilst not commenting on the noise at the end for the Rams winning kick it was clear that the 2 PTs were perfectly valid. Park conceded two as well to loose to Rams at the death so Rams must be doing something right. I do however agree with the general sentiment about a minority of round ball spectators creeping in. Maybe these chaps should be encouraged to go to Villa Park????? Yo ho ho ...... baaaa humbug. Or is it that the beer at BM is very strong??????? If those vociferous chaps washed it down with a ten quid Park Gourmet burger followed by a five quid mince pie we wouldn't be having this festive debate.......... ------------- If you're not on the pitch you can't win the game |
Posted By: marigold
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 19:12
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Sadly can't see Rotherham getting out of the bottom three. Neither Doncaster or YC in any position to lend them players so not sure their current squad can improve much. Fantastic effort by Rams to be joint top. Would they want to go up to Championship? Rosslyn Park always avoid getting promoted, Richmond sound like they are rebuilding and having been there for 3 seasons may not want a swift return, so that could leave Rams..... |
Posted By: Clive Norling
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 22:44
I think Richmond DEFINITELY want to be back where they think they belong and in fairness to them, if it wasn't for the shenanigans of the RFU concerning Yorkshire Carnegie, they would still be in The Championship and YC would be in National 1 ... Rosslyn Park are desperate to get into The Championship, seeing the money they're throwing at ex Premiership/Championship players to come and play for them .... RAMS, well we started out this season not sure what to expect, 16 games in we're joint top on points but it is only halfway through the season. What we have shown is the we'll play for 80+ minutes, ask Chinnor, Rosslyn Park and most recently Moseley who all have conceded 2 tries to us inside the last 10 minutes, when leading comfortably ... our ambition is to hold our own in The Championship, whether it's this season or in the future, that is the goal our CEO has set, and everyone who pulls on the shirt knows that ... next 3 games are massive, DMP (H) Chinnor (A) and Richmond (H) take 12 - 15 points from those and who knows how the last 11 games may pan out .... 
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2019 at 23:04
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I do not believe YC would have survived without the RFU funding. I am not sure they can survive without it next season. Which may be good news for Roth. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Park Ranger
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2019 at 03:37
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I agree with Clive Norling - my feeling is that Richmond are probably favorites @ 10/7 with the Indian bookie , Park second favorites at 11/7 and Rams third favorites at 12/7 - dodgy odds It's probably a season too early for Rams - lots of infrastructure stuff to be sorted etc Richmond and Park of course have the advantage of being closer to the City. But what about a merger between the above two - rebranded as Richmond Park with all games on the 4G?????????????????????? That would give Ealing a run for their money ------------- If you're not on the pitch you can't win the game |
Posted By: Clive Norling
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2019 at 06:59
Ha ha ha ... Richmond the 2nd oldest club in the country to merge with Rosslyn Park, a British bookie would give you 1000000 - 1 on that happening .... A season to early for us? No, it's bit like having your first baby, if you sat down and worked out the finances, you would never ever contemplate the idea but you don't, you just cope, you find a way and that's what we'll do (if it happens) A bit like Ampthill, have you seen their ground and their facilities, with respect to them, we have better than them .... |
Posted By: Park Ranger
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2019 at 09:07
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The Rams v Park game was amusing - with 10 minutes to go my bet was safe with the Indian online bookie and I was looking at a 10k profit ..... I then went to buy another bottle of Pol Roger to celebrate my winnings and had a silly spot bet on Rams not scoring two penalty tries ..... after the game my 10k winnings had evaporated but the silly bet paid out - net result 50k profit which I donated to the poor and needy - I was thinking about buying yet another ex Premiership player to further bolster the Park squad but hey ho its Christmas and the poor and needy benefitted instead ..... yo ho ho ------------- If you're not on the pitch you can't win the game |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2019 at 09:51
The merger is a great idea PR - follow on from the successful Headingley/Roundhay merger a couple of decades back...
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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2019 at 09:55
Possibly Jersey and Guernsey will also merge? Seriously, the problem with mergers is there ends up being no identity for the newly formed club, parochial thoughts amongst supporters inevitably mean some will not follow the new team. The only reason I can see for merging is financial. ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: workerbee
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2019 at 10:05
| What a great idea for Jersey and Guernsey to merger they could play their home games on Sark. |
Posted By: Clive Norling
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2019 at 10:29
Yep and I'm old enough to have refereed at both clubs in their day ..... what seemed like a great idea at the time eh ...... |
Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2019 at 10:55
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Frankly it's a question of know your place. The game is following the countries industrial growth in becoming London-centric. So Park's and Richmond's success (and Rams?) are due to cash rather than or combined with a successful club organisation, but not necessarily ethos. Time to change the Minimum requirements to include Mini, Youth, 2nd and Old Lags as well as Ladies. How do we keep Roth and Hull Is at this level without higher regionalisation i.e. Nat 1 N and Nat 1 S (whilst keeping Nat 2 N and S but with no Championship) On a more serious note - what happened to Flamingoes, Mohicans, Lausanne, Law, Addison, Gipsies and many other founding clubs? Reading from W W Wakefield's 1927 book "Rugger", its quite clear that many in the top two tiers have no place in that set up. Some of them were formed in the 20th century!! Delighted to read that the first club was at Cambridge (presumably University) in 1829. Also outlined are the delights of the four man front row in a 7 man scrum and a mathematical explanation of the origins of the position 5/8ths - three quarters (11-14) are 3/4 and scrum half is 1/2 thus the man in the middle (10) is 5/8th - the average. Did I say the Premiership can banana off, if not, the Premiership can banana off. ------------- "My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts." |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2019 at 11:47
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That rules Cambridge out - no ladies side, yet. Though with the girls doing well it is only a matter of time. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Clive Norling
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2019 at 12:18
All I say is this, you COULD NOT BE FURTHER from the truth, if that is why you think RAMS romped away with the National 2 South by nearly 20 POINTS and currently sit equal 1st on points in their maiden season in National 1, with bar a couple of additions, the same group of players ....  and for the record, we run Mini, Youth, 2nd team, Vets and Ladies and our first team budget is so small, you wouldn't actually believe me if I told you ....rant over!  Happy Xmas to rugby people all over the country .... |
Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2019 at 13:57
Sorry, nothing personal, tongue cheek etc. I believe you - some people think I'm a elderberry, others know it.
  [we'll have the grammar nazis on Fruit Filter soon "an" elderberry rather than "a" dick head]------------- "My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts." |
Posted By: Park Ranger
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 05:53
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Interesting to hear from a Rams chap. I have said before that after Rams and Richmond play on the plastic pitch we will be nearer to knowing the Nat One promoted side. Of course many banana skin fixtures to come - hey ho what about the Indian bookie offering 5000/1 on Park scoring less than 10 points at Canterbury on 4/1????? Come on Leicester City supporters - pay off your mortgage ------------- If you're not on the pitch you can't win the game |
Posted By: Park Ranger
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 05:58
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I happen to know that a typhoon is due to strike Canterbury on 4/1 between 3pm and 4.30pm so I had a side bet for a 0 - 0 draw at 25000/1 ------------- If you're not on the pitch you can't win the game |
Posted By: Pappashanga
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2020 at 17:05
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i found an old programme (Rosslyn Park away-Mond won) for 19/12/15. Richmond had played 15 and lost 3. Were leading by one point. had 451 points for and 266 against. They only have six more against after 19 this season and have scored 565 so far-so over 100 more points in four more games. TBP 8-the same, but four LBPs now as opposed to two then. After all the shenanigans and loss of half the team things are looking promising and I hope it continues. ------------- pappashanga |