RWC Final - New Zealand vs South Africa
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Topic: RWC Final - New Zealand vs South Africa
Posted By: Steve@Mose
Subject: RWC Final - New Zealand vs South Africa
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2023 at 22:10
| The two best teams in the world bidding to be the first to raise Webb Ellis Cup for the fourth time both having overcome defeats in the group stage to reach the final. Hopefully another humdinger for us next Saturday night. |
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Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2023 at 17:58
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(Reuters) - England’s Wayne Barnes, the most experienced referee in history with 110 tests, will officiate Saturday’s World Cup final between New Zealand and holders South Africa in Paris, World Rugby confirmed on Monday. Barnes will have compatriots Karl Dickson and Matthew Carley as his assistant referees, with Tom Foley named as the Television Match Official. ------------- Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD. |
Posted By: Mark W-J
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2023 at 21:43
| Really don't understand why Luke Pearce hasn't been involved in the knockout stages. No question that Barnes is the best ref out there, but Pearce wasn't far off his level in the group stages, and certainly much better than some of those who have had multiple appointments in the final three weekends. |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2023 at 22:18
100% agree MWJ - having looked at social media there are a large number of people, including some respected/ senior journos, who are scratching their heads for the same reason...
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Mark W-J wrote:Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2023 at 23:57
Fully deserved too, was almost guaranteed
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Posted By: Albert Fishwick
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2023 at 14:49
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I'm surprised Raynal didn't get to run touch at least in his home country. Not saying he should have, just that I'm surprised! ------------- That's easy for you to say. |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2023 at 19:44
I agree with both comments ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2023 at 21:13
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Raynal is 42, perhaps in the running for 2027? WR seem to have seen the merit of having a team who work together often. Remain surprised about Luke Pearce having zero KO appointments (middle or touch) this year - in age terms, he's much younger (35) but I'd say he's ready now.
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Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2023 at 09:39
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SA go for a 7-1 split on the bench South Africa XV: 15. Damian Willemse, 14. Kurt Lee Arendse, 13. Jesse Kriel, 12. Damian De Allende, 11. Cheslin Kolbe, 10. Handre Pollard, 9. Faf de Klerk; 1. Steven Kitshoff, 2. Bongi Mbonambi, 3. Frans Malherbe, 4. Eben Etzebeth 5. Franco Mostert 6. Siya Kolisi, 7. Pieter-Steph du Toit, 8. Duane Vermeulen. Replacements: 16. Deon Fourie, 17. Ox Nche, 18. Trevor Nyakane, 19. Jean Kleyn, 20. RG Snyman, 21. Kwagga Smith, 22. Jasper Wiese, 23. Willie le Roux. |
Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2023 at 10:05
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/67223507" rel="nofollow - Bongi Mbonambi named in South Africa team to face New Zealand
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Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2023 at 20:10
| Justice. That's all I'll say about that. |
Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2023 at 20:45
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No ------------- Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny! |
Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2023 at 23:01
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I thought All Blacks would have gone for drop goal when they were close with 15 minutes to go. Good game but rugby as I like to see it wasn’t like the 2 quarter finals But well done South Africa. They found a way to win
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Posted By: Camquin1
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2023 at 23:04
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The quarter-finals were played in the dry, that might have had something to do with it. |
Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2023 at 23:07
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Game decided by outside influences ------------- So many Christians not enough Lions |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2023 at 23:22
Interesting theory RB - by all means elaborate…
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Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2023 at 08:44
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Okay islander and these are opinions which everyone has. The TMO and referral system are not fit for purpose. First yellow NZ 6 - in game time no action from any officials hauled back by TMO suddenly its a debate on what they thought was going on on review couldn’t be helped so was it a yellow IMO no Red Card Cane - again missed by officials dragged back by TMO and all manner of interpretations IMO Kriel (who should have received a red v Scotland for something worse/similar) was on hos way down leaning forward yellow at worse. If it was bad enough for Red why no HIA. Yellow SA 6 - if Canes was a red I can see no mitigation that applies to this direct Head on head must be red Yellow SA winger - okay see these given probably correct. So in essence the game was decided by guys sat in a bunker giving their interpretation of what they thought happened so not the match officials. I thought WB had a decent game and a couple of times overruled what the TMO decision which is tough for me to say Too much for a Sunday morning ------------- So many Christians not enough Lions |
Posted By: Mark W-J
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2023 at 10:26
| I don't think Kolisi should have had his yellow upgraded because he is clearly bent at the hip. Cane, on the other hand, is upright and therefore 'never legal', to fall back on the terminology the refs were using last season. The officials got them.both right, in my view. |
Posted By: PM009
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2023 at 10:41
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Cane’s was direct shoulder contact to the head when he’s not lowered his height. Doesn’t matter what the Kriel does with his height if the tackler doesn’t lower and make direct contact he’s gone. Kolisi wasn’t direct contact, first contact went through the shoulder which was mitigation. Both were refereed correctly to the law, wether you like the law or not is another question but both correct
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Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2023 at 10:46
| What I don't understand is why the ball carrier is allowed to shove their forearm etc into the head of the tackler. Etzebet got away with this several times. |
Posted By: IonMan
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2023 at 11:41
| As has been said elsewhere the sad part about SA win is it will drive the game further into heavyweights are required if you wish to win, taking us away from the claim that it is a sport for all sizes. At least the game wasn't decided on scrum penalties. |
Posted By: Megrim
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2023 at 12:09
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Yet Fourie &,Smith were outstanding in the loose., both wingers & de Klerk also put in fine performance's. None of them exactly giants. ------------- Colin Richards |
Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2023 at 12:27
Quite agree so it seems not everyone shares the earlier opinion!
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Posted By: Moseley Mauler
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2023 at 13:07
| Did I watch the game? Yes. Did I enjoy it? No. If it hadn't been the World Cup Final I would have switched it off. The professional game is becoming a joke. Matches seem to be between 2 sides merely trying gain territory and force errors and then trying to win penalties at scrum time. For the latter I totally blame referees from 15 plus years ago when they stopped applying the laws about putting the ball in straight and so the scrum moved away from a means of just restarting the game. Line-outs are going the same way now. What has happened to exciting running rugby? Potential solutions? Free kicks for scum offences and 7 points for a try scored from open play. Attacking rolling mauls from line outs banned from within the 22. And there should be no hands on the floor at rucks both for defending and attacking teams. OK, I'm living on fantasy island....But I am becoming disillusioned |
Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2023 at 17:54
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I found the match compelling. NZ lost because of two missed kicks and two key handling errors. SA won because they didn’t make mistakes at key points. I thought the refereeing team were calm, assured, communicative and applied the current Laws well - not their job to determine whether those Laws are correct. Having coached for 30 years I tend to watch as a coach, so i can enjoy the way a defence coach sets up to counter the attacking play. Both sets of coaches are experts at what is quite similar to an American Football approach. The size and power of players is now such that creating clear linebreaks relies on errors by the defence more often than not and these two teams rarely make those errors.
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Posted By: Runitback
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2023 at 19:50
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Totally agree with Moseley Mauler, simple solutions. Staight puts ins at scrum, but most importantly on 3 subs ( injury only replacements ). Suddenly you cannot be 20 stone and play 80 minutes. ------------- Run with it |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2023 at 21:08
Agree Halliford, thought Barnes did well; comparing his calm authority with Nic Berry being on the verge of losing control (of a lower-stakes game) the night before reveals a night and day difference. But the TMO thing is increasingly random - some incidents referred, others not, little or no transparency regarding the bunker. And apparently (Daily Telegraph reports) death threats to the ref on social media during the game. How sad...
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Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2023 at 07:04
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[QUOTE=Moseley Mauler]Did I watch the game? Yes. Did I enjoy it? No. If it hadn't been the World Cup Final I would have switched it off. The professional game is becoming a joke. Matches seem to be between 2 sides merely trying gain territory and force errors and then trying to win penalties at scrum time. For the latter I totally blame referees from 15 plus years ago when they stopped applying the laws about putting the ball in straight and so the scrum moved away from a means of just restarting the game. Line-outs are going the same way now. What has happened to exciting running rugby? Potential solutions? Free kicks for scum offences and 7 points for a try scored from open play. Attacking rolling mauls from line outs banned from within the 22. And there should be no hands on the floor at rucks both for defending and attacking teams. OK, I'm living on fantasy island....But I am becoming disillusioned [/QUOTE Absolutely agree Moseley Mauler. Straight put ins Free kicks for scrum offences Rolling Mauls from line out’s banned from inside 23
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Posted By: FlyingRuck
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2023 at 08:37
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Well said. Totally agree. ------------- See you further on up the road |
Posted By: PropDad
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2023 at 08:46
| Although it may not have been the most exciting match (there were quite a few better throughout the tournament) it’s commendable that the Boks won each of the last three matches by just a single point 👏👏👏 |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2023 at 09:14
| Put-ins to scrums haven't been straight for years, but have reached ridiculous angles. Ref in England v Fiji did actually warn the Fijian scrum-half after one that must have been 70 if not 75 degrees off perpendicular... |
Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2023 at 14:37
Whereas death threats to match officials are clearly disgraceful and totally out of order I do wonder if too much notice is taken on what a few morons say on social media. With just about everyone having access to social media it is almost inevitable that a tiny number will post something offensive regarding just about everything.
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Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2023 at 15:03
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As we discuss refs, did anyone else notice the difference in attitude or approach to the ref by the captains or talkers in the teams. Farrell and George (when he came on) were in Berry's ear the whole time. I don't remember Cane, Kolisi, Savea or Fourie querying any decisions. Le Roux seemed to stay well out of Barnes' eyeline. At least, it caught my attention.
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