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MikeGC 
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 Posted: 14 Mar 2023 at 16:20 |
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Definitely relegation at Level 5.
My Club is exiting Regional 1 North West (deservedly so) technically we are already relegated as is the team below us in the league. |
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cobbler
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Posted: 15 Mar 2023 at 11:26 |
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Didn't Neasham's response near the top of the thread answer your original question?
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Posted: 15 Mar 2023 at 11:31 |
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This is interesting but as has been suggested could lead to more mismatches. Can you confirm whether the 8 Level 5 leagues would comprise 14 clubs? Hopefully so and no participation in Papa John Cup with little chance to arrange Sponsorship etc. for matches arranged only a few weeks before they are due to be played!
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kempstonblue
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Posted: 16 Mar 2023 at 06:34 |
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What i still fear is a ten than second tier.
Does HQ think it will be professional? How can you run a pro club on 12 home matches (9 league and 3 cup). Wasn’t the Championship initially going to be a professional league? Which had scant tv coverage, whoops sorry games at weird times on Sky, packaged in an England deal. Central funding, which has dropped to a low figure it’s nearly worthless. Living in Bedfordshire we have two clubs, post CoVid the local newspaper has one page so sport edited by a reporter in Derby who has a dozen local papers to edit. A breakdown it seems in terms of communication (clubs or centrally) but the local BBC Radio allocates a dedicated FM or DAB slot to each ot the five local pro Wendyball clubs. Post match Saturday 5pm interviews with coaches, players from all five clubs, tweets from fans of said clubs. Less than 60 seconds for scrores from Bedford, Ampthill, Bishops Stortford and Old Albanians (sometimes even the scores are overlooked). What a way to get new followers or sponsors, with no media coverage, either by fault of RFU or post CoVid local media. Who in their right mind will fund a team of full time pros in the second tier? One thing for sure no local media here will cover this change of league structure, but their again how many more times will the RFU keep changing leagues? Football has had a tweak or two, but since 1992 in England it’s been 92 Premier/Football League clubs…do supporters in rugby know what our leagues are these days?
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The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused.
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Posted: 16 Mar 2023 at 06:53 |
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Good post Kempston Blue - difficult to argue against what you have said. There is a definite need for a mechanism to promote rugby below the Premiership
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Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny!
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tigerburnie
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Posted: 16 Mar 2023 at 10:58 |
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You would hope with a total of 10 games each week any tv deal would cover both Premier leagues, with the funds accrued shared.................................was that a pig just flew past my window?
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billesleyexile
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Posted: 16 Mar 2023 at 11:05 |
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Which does what for level 3 down? The solution to closing the gap between levels 1 and 2 should not run through widening it between levels 2 and 3. Anyone suggesting rising tides lifting all boats at this point will receive hollow laughter by the way.
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ParkBench
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Posted: 16 Mar 2023 at 11:53 |
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Fascinating to see it laid out like that and I'm sure there is a lot to argue about. National South looks like a great money-wringer with Barnes, Esher, Park, Richmond and Scottish crying out for Friday night fixtures home and away. As with your example of Chester ending up in the SW, Cambridge look to be on the losing travel costs ticket ending up in National North, as they don't even get nearby Ampthill who would be in Nat South instead of Pirates right now. Does anyone know when any of this would get voted on or is the Prem 1 + 2 a fait accompli?
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kempstonblue
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Posted: 16 Mar 2023 at 12:02 |
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But Cambridge get Bishops Stortford and Bury St Edmunds in the model used.
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The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused.
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islander
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Posted: 16 Mar 2023 at 15:30 |
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Given that there's quite a lot about the 23/24 structure that's not yet clear, I wouldn't get your hopes up about getting anything firm for 24/25 any time soon...
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Camquin
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Posted: 16 Mar 2023 at 19:58 |
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The structure of the Premiership is decided by the long form agreement, drawn up between the RFU and PRL. So between Bill Sweeney and Simon Massie-Taylor.
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Sweeney Delenda Est
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workerbee
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Posted: 17 Mar 2023 at 10:00 |
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The deal between RFU and PRL is due to be renewed in 24/25 season so I presume discussions have already started !!??
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Posted: 17 Mar 2023 at 11:25 |
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This is just like the RFU - no regard for community rugby 🤣. The thread is about level 5 and below ..
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workerbee
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Posted: 17 Mar 2023 at 12:39 |
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However what happens to the Premiership and Championship and possibly Level 3 will have a dramatic effect on levels 4 and below, if what has been suggested level three is split into two Level 4 goes into 4 leagues, then Level 5 will be even more diluted
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Posted: 17 Mar 2023 at 13:12 |
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All of the discussions I have been involved in suggest that only Levels 1-3 will be affected. Level 4 and below are expected to stay as they are.
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billesleyexile
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Posted: 17 Mar 2023 at 15:06 |
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so you'd have three leagues at level 4 feeding 2 at level 3? Madness.
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Camquin
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Posted: 17 Mar 2023 at 15:07 |
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This is the RFU we are talking about |
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Sweeney Delenda Est
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workerbee
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Posted: 17 Mar 2023 at 21:23 |
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How will level 4 not be affected, if the plans for levels 1-3 go ahead then Level 3 will be 2 leagues of 14 less 5 relegated from Level 2. So level 3 will need an extra 11 teams from Level 4. How would 3 leagues at level 4 promote into two leagues at level 3 surely the logical option would be two leagues at level 4 North and Midlands 2 leagues South East and South West feeding into Nat 3 North and Nat 3 South or an I being too logical.
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islander
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Posted: 17 Mar 2023 at 21:39 |
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Good (other than leaving out the '?') question WB. Interested to hear Halliford's answer to this, as he set the '1-3 only' hare running...
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kempstonblue
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Posted: 17 Mar 2023 at 22:38 |
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Am sure soccer used to have three regional feeders from level 7 into two leagues at level 6, it worked. Then they realised 4 into 2 is actually simpler. But the RFU seems to be run by weirdos who like complicating things. |
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